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28 Nov 2012, 11:46 am

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Globalization is Western propanganda that all should honor the greatness of multinational corporations and bow to their wishes.


Corporate dominance in commerce is NOT propaganda. It is is real as rain. And there is a good reason for it. The corporations offer economies of scale that smaller firms cannot.

When Rockerfeller achieved dominance of oil production in the U.S. the price of kerosine (at that time the most in demand distillate) went down by 90 percent. And for good reason. The low price lead to large scale purchase which produced mammoth profits for Standard Oil. Big Bad Capitalist. That S.O.B. made kerosine affordable to even the poor peasants.

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Wouldn't that cause more enviornmental damage from the negative externalities of the kerosine?



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28 Nov 2012, 11:53 am

ianorlin wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
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Globalization is Western propanganda that all should honor the greatness of multinational corporations and bow to their wishes.


Corporate dominance in commerce is NOT propaganda. It is is real as rain. And there is a good reason for it. The corporations offer economies of scale that smaller firms cannot.

When Rockerfeller achieved dominance of oil production in the U.S. the price of kerosine (at that time the most in demand distillate) went down by 90 percent. And for good reason. The low price lead to large scale purchase which produced mammoth profits for Standard Oil. Big Bad Capitalist. That S.O.B. made kerosine affordable to even the poor peasants.

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Wouldn't that cause more enviornmental damage from the negative externalities of the kerosine?


At that time, no one was worrying about the environment.

There were capitalists the were offering electric cars (late 19 th century, early 20 th century) but they were outcompeted by the capitalists who made petrol powered cars.

However to return to the point, the corporate dominance of certain industries actually led to a reduction in prices (due to a reduction in the cost of extraction or manufacture) and a consequential increase in the number of people who could afford to pay. Back in the 30's and 40's A & P worked on the principle of volume. The eliminated the middleman and priced one or two percent over cost to produce a mammoth volume of purchases. By the way, the compaints against A & P were almost verbetim the same as the complaints against Wal-Mart. There was pissing and moaning about the demise of Ma and Pa grocery stores that could not match A & P prices.

Corporations dominate the production and distribution of food. The U.S has a problem with obesity and Americans pay the lowest percentage of any nation for their food. Medical care may come dear, but food in the U.S. is as cheap as borscht.

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28 Nov 2012, 2:13 pm

Here's the main reason I bumped this thread: I'm sick of the argument that says "Children in poor countries make stuff in sweatshops for American companies so globalization must be bad."

Sweatshops are an unavoidable part of capitalism. If they weren't in the third world then they would be in America and England. Isn't that what happened in Victorian England? You can't get rid of the have-nots by moving them.

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28 Nov 2012, 4:15 pm

DarthMetaKnight wrote:
Here's the main reason I bumped this thread: I'm sick of the argument that says "Children in poor countries make stuff in sweatshops for American companies so globalization must be bad."

Sweatshops are an unavoidable part of capitalism. If they weren't in the third world then they would be in America and England. Isn't that what happened in Victorian England? You can't get rid of the have-nots by moving them.

"The crucial thing for most of the left now, is what goes under the name of "anti-globalization". A sort of primitive, I would say non-Marxist form of anti-capitalism."
- Christopher Hitchens


Sweatshops were mostly abolished in the U.S. by 1930. States passed health and safety laws so there would not be another Triangle Shirt Factory holocaust.

By then most states had child labor laws restricting the condition under which a person 14 years old or less could be employed.

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28 Nov 2012, 4:17 pm

ruveyn wrote:
DarthMetaKnight wrote:
Here's the main reason I bumped this thread: I'm sick of the argument that says "Children in poor countries make stuff in sweatshops for American companies so globalization must be bad."

Sweatshops are an unavoidable part of capitalism. If they weren't in the third world then they would be in America and England. Isn't that what happened in Victorian England? You can't get rid of the have-nots by moving them.

"The crucial thing for most of the left now, is what goes under the name of "anti-globalization". A sort of primitive, I would say non-Marxist form of anti-capitalism."
- Christopher Hitchens


Sweatshops were mostly abolished in the U.S. by 1930. States passed health and safety laws so there would not be another Triangle Shirt Factory holocaust.

By then most states had child labor laws restricting the condition under which a person 14 years old or less could be employed.

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What's wrong with child labour?



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28 Nov 2012, 4:20 pm

[quote="GGPViper"
What's wrong with child labour?[/quote]

Nothing inherently. The laws prevented children from being employed in tasks their young bodies could not handle well.

They did not want ten year old kids working in coal mines (in the 19th century that was common in the U.S. and Britain).

A kid who can do a job safely and competently should be hireable for that job.

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28 Nov 2012, 4:29 pm

The computer industry wants to hire wiz kids.



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29 Nov 2012, 1:29 pm

androbot2084 wrote:
The computer industry wants to hire wiz kids.


The bot is getting better. That one wasn't half bad.

I'd like to see the source code, though.



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29 Nov 2012, 1:47 pm

We want to force Brittney Spears and McDonalds down the throats of the rest of the world.
At least the Romans never sunk that low.
American agriculture wants everyone in the world to stop growing the crops they have traditionally grown and use our genetically altered crap,you can't save the seeds so now you have to buy ADM's Frankenstein seeds every year.



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29 Nov 2012, 2:35 pm

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We want to force Brittney Spears and McDonalds down the throats of the rest of the world.
At least the Romans never sunk that low.
American agriculture wants everyone in the world to stop growing the crops they have traditionally grown and use our genetically altered crap,you can't save the seeds so now you have to buy ADM's Frankenstein seeds every year.


No one is forcing anything on anyone. People buy what they want and sell what they make.

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29 Nov 2012, 2:36 pm

In the future humans will be genetically engineered.



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29 Nov 2012, 4:34 pm

ruveyn wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
We want to force Brittney Spears and McDonalds down the throats of the rest of the world.
At least the Romans never sunk that low.
American agriculture wants everyone in the world to stop growing the crops they have traditionally grown and use our genetically altered crap,you can't save the seeds so now you have to buy ADM's Frankenstein seeds every year.


No one is forcing anything on anyone. People buy what they want and sell what they make.

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True,but we do broadcast alot of B.S.over satellite T.V.,just picture innocent indigenous toddlers exposed to Jersey Shore,no one should be subjected to that :lol:
But your right,they could turn off the T.V.
But GMO seeds are being coerced (maybe a better word) upon farmers in some areas.
Baker Creek Heirloom seeds has info on this.
RareSeeds.com