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05 Feb 2018, 3:48 pm

As an aspie I'm actually a liberal because I believe in a government where they help the poor and as someone who comes from a poor family I have seen the injustice of class inequality caused by a were the government does not keep big businesses in check I do believe people have a right to be free and independent though


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11 Feb 2018, 1:19 am

I actually find the idea that I am supposed to be a "helpless victim" and unprivileged because of my autism/asperger diagnosis to be VERY offensive and insulting.



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11 Feb 2018, 2:10 pm

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What do you think about this argument :

For me it sounds like "Aspies are worse human beings than NTs".



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11 Feb 2018, 2:18 pm

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Capitalisms ultimate absurdity and one that conflicts with my logic, whether it be libertarian or bourgoisie liberal, is the notion that one can commodify a finite plane, infinitely. Hence I am a scientific socialist.

USSR, China, Kampuchea, etc, etc. So many horrible failures of Socialists, unbelievable poverty and totalitarianism, hundreds millions people dying. And yet the world is full of people who are inclined to step on the same rake again and again.



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14 Feb 2018, 12:53 am

Democracy in Chains Author Nancy MacLean Calls Autism a Leading Cause of Libertarianism

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Nancy MacLean, the Duke University historian who wrote Democracy in Chains, the deeply conspiratorial and much-criticized biography of public choice economist James Buchanan, told an audience in New York last week that Buchanan and other early leaders of the limited-government movement "seem to be on the autism spectrum."

According to MacLean, there is a connection between autism and libertarianism, and that connection is not feeling "solidarity or empathy," and having "kind of difficult human relationships sometimes." The implication is that libertarianism is similarly cold and unfeeling, and attracts people who don't care about others.

MacLean is making two not-necessarily-related claims here: 1) that Buchanan's autism made him unsuitable for politics, spurning his opposition to government, and 2) autistic people are less empathetic, which is why callous, unfeeling libertarianism appeals to them.

These are remarkably bad-faith assumptions (about libertarian philosophy and autistic people) built upon an equally shaky foundation: MacLean presents no evidence that Buchanan was autistic, aside from that single anecdote in his memoir. Her book does make reference to George Mason University economist Tyler Cowen's self-diagnosed autism (and how it inclined him toward "neither sentimentality nor solidarity"), but that's it. MacLean appears to have spun a single story into an entire theory that "many of the architects" of the libertarian cause are autistic.

"I've discussed how ableist people like MacLean use autism as a slur, but I don't think we've ever been accused of being the source of malevolent ideologies before," wrote Troy Earl Camplin, who blogs about living with Asperger's syndrome and having an autistic son. "If I lived anywhere near Duke University, I would be outside the History Department tomorrow protesting her."

Camplin also notes, "those of us on the spectrum know that we are certainly empathetic, as I myself have discussed several times—in some cases and ways, more so than others. I know that I have the ideology I do precisely because of my strong concern for the poor."

MacLean's comments were captured on video (skip to the one hour mark). In case there was any doubt about what she meant, another audience member asked whether Buchanan's ideas were spreading "to other universities and so that we've got this constant flow of libertarians, autistic libertarians." MacLean smiles and chuckles before responding.


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14 Feb 2018, 1:43 am

^ Wow.

(I recall reading here and/or elsewhere about other parts of her research being notoriously bogus.)


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14 Feb 2018, 2:00 am

Wow is right. That couldn't be more wrong. Libertarianism isn't cold. It just wants the government out of everyones business. Socially liberal and fiscally conservative. It can be a hard concept to understand and accept. I came from a poor family and was liberal, but taking something from someone that earned it and giving it to someone that didn't isn't appropriate. I have no problem helping anyone that needs it, but it should not be forced by the government.



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14 Feb 2018, 2:03 am

The temptation to respond by noting the association between feminism and sociopathy is overwhelming. :mrgreen:


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14 Feb 2018, 2:21 am

^ neither is libertarian or autistic driven



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17 Feb 2018, 2:49 am

Duke students rebuke prof for saying libertarians are autistic

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Conservative and libertarian students are asking Duke University to issue a statement condemning a professor's recent remark suggesting that libertarians are "on the autism spectrum."

The students do not want Nancy MacLean punished for exercising her right to free speech, but want the university to make clear that such comments are not condoned by the campus community.


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17 Feb 2018, 12:43 pm

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The temptation to respond by noting the association between feminism and sociopathy is overwhelming. :mrgreen:

I'd say it looks more like narcissism. Both are quite similar, though.



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23 Feb 2018, 2:06 am

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Democracy in Chains Author Nancy MacLean Calls Autism a Leading Cause of Libertarianism
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Nancy MacLean, the Duke University historian who wrote Democracy in Chains, the deeply conspiratorial and much-criticized biography of public choice economist James Buchanan, told an audience in New York last week that Buchanan and other early leaders of the limited-government movement "seem to be on the autism spectrum."

According to MacLean, there is a connection between autism and libertarianism, and that connection is not feeling "solidarity or empathy," and having "kind of difficult human relationships sometimes." The implication is that libertarianism is similarly cold and unfeeling, and attracts people who don't care about others.

MacLean is making two not-necessarily-related claims here: 1) that Buchanan's autism made him unsuitable for politics, spurning his opposition to government, and 2) autistic people are less empathetic, which is why callous, unfeeling libertarianism appeals to them.

These are remarkably bad-faith assumptions (about libertarian philosophy and autistic people) built upon an equally shaky foundation: MacLean presents no evidence that Buchanan was autistic, aside from that single anecdote in his memoir. Her book does make reference to George Mason University economist Tyler Cowen's self-diagnosed autism (and how it inclined him toward "neither sentimentality nor solidarity"), but that's it. MacLean appears to have spun a single story into an entire theory that "many of the architects" of the libertarian cause are autistic.

"I've discussed how ableist people like MacLean use autism as a slur, but I don't think we've ever been accused of being the source of malevolent ideologies before," wrote Troy Earl Camplin, who blogs about living with Asperger's syndrome and having an autistic son. "If I lived anywhere near Duke University, I would be outside the History Department tomorrow protesting her."

Camplin also notes, "those of us on the spectrum know that we are certainly empathetic, as I myself have discussed several times—in some cases and ways, more so than others. I know that I have the ideology I do precisely because of my strong concern for the poor."

MacLean's comments were captured on video (skip to the one hour mark). In case there was any doubt about what she meant, another audience member asked whether Buchanan's ideas were spreading "to other universities and so that we've got this constant flow of libertarians, autistic libertarians." MacLean smiles and chuckles before responding.


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MacLean, for her part, regrets her error. More so, according to an email she sent to me, she appreciates the chance to have been pointed in a more progressive direction, at least when it comes to autism research. About her remark, she writes, "It was a long night and rather than take the time to find the right way to express what I wanted to say, I reached for a reference that was inappropriate and just wrong." And, she promises, "Having sought deeper knowledge about autism I have already learned my error about empathy and solidarity. I will continue to learn more going forward."


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23 Feb 2018, 2:12 am

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ASPartOfMe wrote:
Democracy in Chains Author Nancy MacLean Calls Autism a Leading Cause of Libertarianism
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Nancy MacLean, the Duke University historian who wrote Democracy in Chains, the deeply conspiratorial and much-criticized biography of public choice economist James Buchanan, told an audience in New York last week that Buchanan and other early leaders of the limited-government movement "seem to be on the autism spectrum."

According to MacLean, there is a connection between autism and libertarianism, and that connection is not feeling "solidarity or empathy," and having "kind of difficult human relationships sometimes." The implication is that libertarianism is similarly cold and unfeeling, and attracts people who don't care about others.

MacLean is making two not-necessarily-related claims here: 1) that Buchanan's autism made him unsuitable for politics, spurning his opposition to government, and 2) autistic people are less empathetic, which is why callous, unfeeling libertarianism appeals to them.

These are remarkably bad-faith assumptions (about libertarian philosophy and autistic people) built upon an equally shaky foundation: MacLean presents no evidence that Buchanan was autistic, aside from that single anecdote in his memoir. Her book does make reference to George Mason University economist Tyler Cowen's self-diagnosed autism (and how it inclined him toward "neither sentimentality nor solidarity"), but that's it. MacLean appears to have spun a single story into an entire theory that "many of the architects" of the libertarian cause are autistic.

"I've discussed how ableist people like MacLean use autism as a slur, but I don't think we've ever been accused of being the source of malevolent ideologies before," wrote Troy Earl Camplin, who blogs about living with Asperger's syndrome and having an autistic son. "If I lived anywhere near Duke University, I would be outside the History Department tomorrow protesting her."

Camplin also notes, "those of us on the spectrum know that we are certainly empathetic, as I myself have discussed several times—in some cases and ways, more so than others. I know that I have the ideology I do precisely because of my strong concern for the poor."

MacLean's comments were captured on video (skip to the one hour mark). In case there was any doubt about what she meant, another audience member asked whether Buchanan's ideas were spreading "to other universities and so that we've got this constant flow of libertarians, autistic libertarians." MacLean smiles and chuckles before responding.


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MacLean, for her part, regrets her error. More so, according to an email she sent to me, she appreciates the chance to have been pointed in a more progressive direction, at least when it comes to autism research. About her remark, she writes, "It was a long night and rather than take the time to find the right way to express what I wanted to say, I reached for a reference that was inappropriate and just wrong." And, she promises, "Having sought deeper knowledge about autism I have already learned my error about empathy and solidarity. I will continue to learn more going forward."


Well that's a start. Has she also apologized for her "obviously shoddy and dishonest" book?

https://www.claremont.org/crb/basicpage ... nes-vault/


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23 Feb 2018, 2:26 am

this aspie has always been far more compatible with socialism than with libertarian capitalism. capitalism to me is what a doorknob is to a cat. :cat:



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23 Feb 2018, 12:20 pm

auntblabby wrote:
this aspie has always been far more compatible with socialism than with libertarian capitalism. capitalism to me is what a doorknob is to a cat. :cat:

This is only because you have no idea what the real Socialism looks like.



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24 Feb 2018, 1:11 am

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auntblabby wrote:
this aspie has always been far more compatible with socialism than with libertarian capitalism. capitalism to me is what a doorknob is to a cat. :cat:

This is only because you have no idea what the real Socialism looks like.

please explain.