Do Aspies have a hard time finding jobs?

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24 Feb 2009, 7:56 am

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a lot of people are having troubles finding jobs


Yes, the current economy sucks. But most people don't have professional job hunts jasting moer than 8 years.

Like the poster above... if I get a trial, I become irreplaceable in a hurry. Most places are too interested in filling the correct checkbox on an app/govt form though. So I got an official ADA compliant diagnosis. Most companies think that's a good checkbox to fill.


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24 Feb 2009, 12:49 pm

According to Internet folk lore, the unemployment rate for Aspies is 70%. So consider yourself lucky to have a job at all. And from what I've read we all underperform in relation to our actual job qualifications. I know that all my life I've been told that I have good potential. But I've never been able to translate that into success.
To be honest, there are probably a lot of jobs I could do. But every one of them requires interacting with people hundreds of times a day. That's something I could never do.


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24 Feb 2009, 5:25 pm

Eggman wrote:
a lot of people are having troubles finding jobs


And in some ways this makes it worse. If the economy was good and there were lots of jobs and I still wasn't getting hired, at least I would know for sure the problem is me. But as things stand, I don't know and so I can't do anything about it and I just keep trying...



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25 Feb 2009, 10:51 am

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Eggman wrote:
a lot of people are having troubles finding jobs


And in some ways this makes it worse. If the economy was good and there were lots of jobs and I still wasn't getting hired, at least I would know for sure the problem is me. But as things stand, I don't know and so I can't do anything about it and I just keep trying...


This is the reason, and ONLY reason, I took the time, effort & $$$ to seek out a definitive yes/no "diagnosis".

IMO Hiring Practices hav been so skewed away from KSAs (knowledge, skills & abilities) and towards "Social Skills" that people with AS are at an extreme discriminatory disadvantage.

You may be the best at whatever it is you do/obsess about, but the Happy Shiney Smily People Person running the HR programme will never hire you because you don't make them "feel good".

In my Web Searches, I saw a lot of resources in NJ. Use them. If the system is both stacked against you AND provides a lever to use against it, by all means use the lever.

And if after you get the job and you don't get promoted/get fired because you can't be a part of the watercooler set? Sue them for breech of ADA.

Be efficient, stay efficient and thell the NTs to go take a flying leap... because if you play it right you will be in a position to prove that you are, in every demonstrable way, better at PRODUCING than they are.

That's my plan and I'm sticking to it.


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25 Feb 2009, 6:30 pm

I have a diagnosis, but I'm high-functioning, so I don't know whether it's specifically the AS that's keeping me from getting a job.

I know I'm very bad at interviewing. I also know I'm short on skills and experience. My main strength is being a fast learner, but that's never going to get me in ahead of someone who already knows how to do the job.

Also, I'm under the impression that AS isn't specifically covered by the ADA. I feel like it's better to just not mention my dx. Is it possible to get support services but keep them secret from potential employers?

I went to a normal career coach and didn't mention AS. I'm doing my best to follow his get-a-job program but so far not much luck. (He spontaneously commented that my social skills didn't seem too bad, but maybe he was just trying to be encouraging.)



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26 Feb 2009, 10:46 pm

I am more smart that half of my friends....and yet the only job I have ever had is a Federal Work Study working at my college's media center. I am 20 right now, and have applied to MANY places...even Wal-Mart, and I wasn't even hired there!! :oops:

I don't do well in interviews because I cringe and then probably act like I am too smart for the job. The other downside is I currently don't drive...so places not within walking distance from home is an issue. But nobody is even willing to give me a chance to figure things out!

It ticks me off :evil:



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03 Mar 2009, 7:52 am

I just learned that I likely have AS....I based that "self-diagnosis" on the details of AS and how perfectly it matches my life ever since I was a child.

I'm 40 now...employment has never been a problem as far as having a check coming in, but the job hunt process is emotionally draining (if not depressing) and I'm always getting "poop" jobs that are well beneath what I'm able to do and the level of pay/benefits I should be bringing in compared to my peers with similar abilities and education.

I am quasi self-employed. I started a business idea and my old employer agreed to be my first client as I worked the bugs out of my business model (in exchange for doing all my old duties as well).

The motive came from a guy I know and respect in a biker group I belong to. Not knowing about AS or that I had it, he told me a simple observation....

1. I will NEVER fit into corporate/government workplace culture and will never be happy there if I did get hired. So, stop pursuing it.

2. With how anal I was about doing things right and doing things my way (if it fails, I know I am to blame and not stupid corporate policy), being self-employed would be harder, but more emotionally satisfying.

Now that I know about AS, I do want to know "for certain," but I debate the wisdom about disclosing AS in an interview.

On one side, the ADA does not offer any real protection. It requires "reasonable accommodation" which is a huge gray area, but it also gives employers an incentive to not hire someone presenting extra "baggage" for their company to cope with. Disclosure is a good thing when going for jobs where they state they want to hire and promote people who are disabled, but that means a government job...which might be the wrong place for an AS person to be for their sanity.

Still, I find people tend to be more tolerant when they know someone has a condition that affects how they are compared to what they would expect of someone who is NT. You really have no clear win either way. The best idea I have is to try and mimic good interviewing skills and disclose that "peer relationships don't come easy" without admitting to AS. I wish interviewers understood that 20-30 minutes isn't enough time to really get to know someone, and people with AS who do have fairly functional social skills usually need time (the one thing not enough is given) to make "connections" with those they will end up working with.



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03 Mar 2009, 8:02 am

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I just learned that I likely have AS....I based that "self-diagnosis" on the details of AS and how perfectly it matches my life ever since I was a child.

I'm 40 now...employment has never been a problem as far as having a check coming in, but the job hunt process is emotionally draining (if not depressing) and I'm always getting "poop" jobs that are well beneath what I'm able to do and the level of pay/benefits I should be bringing in compared to my peers with similar abilities and education.

I am quasi self-employed. I started a business idea and my old employer agreed to be my first client as I worked the bugs out of my business model (in exchange for doing all my old duties as well).

The motive came from a guy I know and respect in a biker group I belong to. Not knowing about AS or that I had it, he told me a simple observation....

1. I will NEVER fit into corporate/government workplace culture and will never be happy there if I did get hired. So, stop pursuing it.

2. With how anal I was about doing things right and doing things my way (if it fails, I know I am to blame and not stupid corporate policy), being self-employed would be harder, but more emotionally satisfying.

Now that I know about AS, I do want to know "for certain," but I debate the wisdom about disclosing AS in an interview.

On one side, the ADA does not offer any real protection. It requires "reasonable accommodation" which is a huge gray area, but it also gives employers an incentive to not hire someone presenting extra "baggage" for their company to cope with. Disclosure is a good thing when going for jobs where they state they want to hire and promote people who are disabled, but that means a government job...which might be the wrong place for an AS person to be for their sanity.

Still, I find people tend to be more tolerant when they know someone has a condition that affects how they are compared to what they would expect of someone who is NT. You really have no clear win either way. The best idea I have is to try and mimic good interviewing skills and disclose that "peer relationships don't come easy" without admitting to AS. I wish interviewers understood that 20-30 minutes isn't enough time to really get to know someone, and people with AS who do have fairly functional social skills usually need time (the one thing not enough is given) to make "connections" with those they will end up working with.


Congratulations on realizing that you have AS or something of the kind. You are still a young, smart man. Do not disclose this in an interview, unless you are applying to a job where people with disabilities are preferred. You should be proud that you had worked full time and "had no trouble getting a paycheck." Good for you, man!



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03 Mar 2009, 9:17 am

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Do not disclose this in an interview, unless you are applying to a job where people with disabilities are preferred. You should be proud that you had worked full time and "had no trouble getting a paycheck." Good for you, man!


Thanks for the tip and the compliment. Employment wasn't always easy. At first, I couldn't hold a job, but not knowing I had special needs, it became a matter of just making sure the bills got paid. Thankfully I was functional enough that I needed to work and wanted to be independent, but those first few years were not easy.

Sadly, if I lose a job (even 20+ years of working) I can expect a 2 month or more gap before finding another job because of how hard it is for me to interview.

On the plus side, if you learn to take pride in any task you do, there is always someone willing to pay you to do SOMETHING for them. Nothing eats away at your self-confidence more than being forced to sit at home all day doing nothing. I need to work or I go stir crazy after a week or so.



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05 Apr 2009, 1:31 pm

I have been without work for long periods of time, once i was without a job for over 4 years, but i decided to study the last 2 years of that time.

I have had big problems trying to market myself to employers:

1) most people reading applications does not even know what the words mean, and if i try to explain it in laymans terms, my CV will end up being on 5-6 pages and "noone wants to read that" according to recruiters i have spoken to.

2) As a modest person, i have a big problem trying to sell myself, and selling the brand: "Me" is the most important thing you should be able to market.

During my unemployed timeperiods i have learned alot how to do this, write a proper CV, write a personal letter that explains to the employer why you are the best person for the job, and dont be too frank with people: It is easy to tell someone why you would love to work there, but trying to look intrested in a job that "any monkey could do" because you need the money and not lie about it, thats a completly different thing.

On interviews i have had some problems earlier, but i have learned to bring up subjects that i feel comfortable talking about and not go into less awkward subjects like "why did your last job end?". At times some recruiters havent even checked my references/previous jobs, they do a personality test of some sort and go by their "gut feeling".

As someone mentioned earlier, yes, the emphasis on social skills is discriminatory against people with reduced skills in that area, people should think about what AS/Autistics can offer society instead of trying to force everyone into a "joe average" form.

True, Bill Gates would not be where he is today without Steve (and possible Paul), but who would Steve be today without Bills (and pauls) knowledge?

I for one is lucky that Aspies and Autistics can get goverment help where i live: reduced work time, financial assistance to employers up to 4 years, a career/social "coach" and some other things. This is the only reason why i want to be diagnosed to get some proper help.

I have had big problems trying to "fit in" to societies expectations and have ended up not being hired (we have a 6 month trial period here in Sweden) and at times i have felt that i cannot cope with the employer and left.

Jumping around on the job market is a real PITA and without a steady income i cannot start to have a life and do the things i want to do. I have not had a single vacation - EVER, i constantly worry about if i ever will find good solid work that allows me to fit in and this whole thing makes me depressed, and i am already depressed because of lonelyness...

My life is - and will be - a long period of gray misery untill i find my place in the world.



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07 Sep 2009, 11:49 am

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I left my old job due to harrassment from an employee and a major depressive episode (traumatic event) caused me to be unable to get out of bed and go through the motions of life for a period of time. Currently I am looking for work while I take some time from school off (to earn more money for school!). I am very nervous to enter the workforce and I fear being harrassed by coworkers. Also, I need to be very picky about the job I apply for. For example, I prefer to work mostly alone and it needs to be ok if I so happen to have poor interpersonal skills. I put out maybe 3 resumes a week if I am lucky... I think I could put out more resumes if I had stronger interpersonal skills.

I found out I have AS only a couple of months ago... and I am unsure how to handle the situation. On one hand, an understanding employer may find it helpful to have this information, and it may not necessarily cause me harm (could make my life easier, in fact). Or I am discriminated against. I don't know.


I found out my condition about 10 months ago, and something i learned was, "People only understand Autism, but cannot comprehend it as a spectrum." If anything, what i do is try to simplify what i have without telling them the diagnosis. So, here's an example of what i at least tell my co-workers, "Yeah, i cant go to clubs . . . loud sounds and intense lights have a tendency to give me a panic attack." That they will be understanding of and not look at you funny. Granted, a meltdown and a panic attack are probably quite different, but they are more likely to understand a panic attack as opposed to a meltdown.



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08 Sep 2009, 11:47 am

Ichinin wrote:
I for one is lucky that Aspies and Autistics can get goverment help where i live: reduced work time, financial assistance to employers up to 4 years, a career/social "coach" and some other things.


Having lived in Scandinavia, I have first-hand experience of the phenomenal level of assistance on offer to people there. Granted, you're taxed up to the eyeballs, but personally I think it's well worth it.

Now I live in California, where social welfare is minimal and you're expected to fend for yourself. If my wife were to lose her job, we would have no health insurance, no unemployment benefits, nothing, we would be living on handouts from the local church. Having a job here is so much more than the money and status, it's literally a living. I wish I lived in Sweden (I speak the language), at least life would be less precarious there.



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How did your employers find out you have AS?Isn't there a law against discrimination of people with disabilities?Dont companies have to make adjustments for individuals with disabilities......sorry,more questions then answers.

I have had many jobs in my 25 years of working.None of them have been to great,most have been for min.wage,dirty,smelly,noisy and confusing but I am a hard worker and willing to work overnights,which is a position tha is difficult to fill.I found a "nitch" that works for me but not without many drawbacks.I think for my education(BA in Psych)and my age(43)and my work ethic(hard worker,on time,resposible)I am working well beneath my full potential.So my answer is that I think it can be more difficult to find appropriate,well paid work if you have problems with social skills or sensory issues.All this is has nothing to do with having a DX for AS,since I only received that in the past few months.I applied for many jobs that I will never know "why" I wasnt offered the job....but it wasnt because of a DX it was probably because of Aspie traits(maybe lack of eye contact,saying the wrong things,over all "she is different" fear.)I would love to know what it was about me they found "unqualified" but they certainly were right that I am not much of a "team player" but they also missed someone who is an inovative thinker,compassionate and responsible employee.





How do they find out? Well they may ask on the application form I'm about to get of disability and would like to travel :D before returning to work, They ask 2 things on the insurance application form:

1. Do you have autism or are on the ASD spectrum.

2. Have you ever had a head injury.


Yes and yes!


I'm not sure if this is a industry norm (only looked at the one policy) not even sure if it's the norm to ask these sorts of questions at a job interview , I wouldn't know as I haven't worked for nearly 9 years, All I do no (confirmed) by GP (severe) head injury recovered patients do face obstacles (discrimination) ) due to their past condition, not sure if this is the case with autism I assume yes?



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14 Sep 2010, 12:11 pm

Well... looking at ads, I don't have a license and its like you have to for pretty much everything (even if I can't see why). I'm epileptic but even if I weren't, I wouldn't be able to drive because of the sensory bombardment.

Then I find something and do the resume. I didn't finish college, so I think that probably screws me over. Even if it's something where they say "education in _____ preferred" and I got up to junior year in that field, no call. Even if it pays barely above minimum wage. There's a proofreader job at the local paper that I see an ad for at least 5 times a year. I submitted my res, cover letter, references, not a damned call. But with a turnover like that, I'm not so sure I'd want it.

So let's assume I get a call. Then I have the phone interview. I'm terrible on the phone, but I've never had someone call me and not schedule a real interview........ but the in person interview? Forced eye contact (super fun when the HR lady has a colored contact askew), uncomfortable clothes, ack. I'm just going to stay unemployed.


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I have had 2 successful job interviews ever in my life one was in September 1986 was for a small firm which claimed to be a firm which specialises in analytical chemistry and when I was hired I was just filling these bottles and bags with lubrication oils and gels for ultrasound and wasn't too good at that poor coordination. I was basically lied to in the job description. The boss really didn't like me at all and used of often yell at me to do that sort of thing quickly. When there were no barrels of ultrasound oils and gels then I would do some proper analytical chemistry of soaps/shampoos, talcum powders. That bit I enjoyed but the filling bottles from the machine in the shed behind the firm's lab could get very cold and I could use a calor gas fire but had to keep the door open to avoid carbon monoxide poisoning. That job was about £29 per calendar month. It oonly lasted 3 months and I hadn't had a job till 2003. The second job I had was one for an organisation that I set up myself as some sort of civil rights worker. However it should have been more disability friendly since it was for a self advocacy organisation and I was the one that wrote the constititution for it myself. The pay I was given was about £20 a week and the job description was 'working under pressure' but and was told by the so called assistant that I should be a role model and should be expecting more from me but I done most of my work for the self advocacy group in my spare time and a couple of weekends. You pay peanuts you expect monkeys. The stress caused me to have overload, shutdowns and had a meltdown at home. I also had epilepsy which I tried my best to keep under control. The office phones were painful to hear so high pitched and loud. I don't know how sometimes I could manage to motivate myself with that going on. OK it was for a self advocacy organisation that ws to help people with learning disabilities speak up for themselves but ended up providing support for people with all kinds of disabilities including Asperger syndrome people. That was in accordance with the rules that I laid down and didn't need the allistic telling me I should be a role model since I didnt have role models as a kid and tone/language policing which was totally against the rules. He also used my Asperger syndrome as an excuse for this hypocrisy. No wonder I had anhedonia which I had since 1991. :roll:



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11 Sep 2017, 10:50 am

They do discriminate against autistic people finding jobs. I've had atleast 2 jobs denied because the application asked me if I had any disabilities and I had to be honest and tell it yes. Then when I called the place to inquire what they mean when they ask that they went on to say that they don't generally take on people when they find out they have a disability because they are a liability and they don't know how to accommodate for the disability.