And the winner of the Nobel Peace Prize is... the EU!
I'm well aware of what ad hominem is. In fact, I can name a lot of the fallacies you're using right now.
First of all "expertise" is not synonymous with number of climate publications. Most likely, these scientists have publications because they agree with the UN climate panel. You're using the ad populum fallacy here; truth is not democratic, never was and never will be. Global warming research is a dead end similar to the steady state theory of the universe, which "most" scientists believed in 70 years ago.
Idiot. When you make some *actual* claims about the real world I might bother lifting a little finger to dismiss your arguments...
More BS.
One tiny problem, though. Al Gore is right. You are wrong. And yes, 9,000 Americans *are* idiots...
Biased article that shows what the author wants to show < independent thinking scientists (you know, the kind who were at one point in history riddiculed for believing that the universe had originated from something, that bats used echolation to navigate or that the Higgs boson existed).
*Ignores the rants of an insignificant poster who thinks her/himself equal to PNAS*.
The rest of you post is just rubbish...
Any thread which disregards scientific evidence will rapidly be owned by yours truly.
And no, they don't care about the 20k that died in Bhopal. They don't care about 50 million people that have died from Malaria since 1972 either.
Saving human life isn't an objective of the modern environmental movement, for a certain segment depopulation is the actual goal.
I don't think you are aware of the implications of global warming... That entire Sahara thing... Do you think the desert will get *smaller* due to global warming?
But who am I kidding... No one cares about Africa...
Depopulation is necessary, by the way. Thermodynamics isn't just for kids.
I have already made them. Back up your claims that global warming is the most important environmental issue. Nobody has died because of rising temperatures yet. Thousands of people died in Ukraine because the USSR didn't bother to secure their nuclear plants.
Look who's talking. So far, you've only proven that you're a pseudo-intellectual who can read. That's not a whole lot, is it?
I'm more educated on the matter than both you and Al Gore combined. That's all that matters for now. Al Gore is not backed up by 9,000 Americans with PhDs in science. No idiots have a PhD in science.
I guess you're really significant then. So far, all you have to show for yourself is ad hominem. Maybe you think that snow is more important than third world people.
You jelly?
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There is no scientific evidence for manmade global warming.
This is besides the point, as the temperatures are perfectly capable of rising without human intervention.
You clearly do not.
That's easy for someone with access to birth control or contraception to say. Many Africans do not have access to this, nor do they get nice pensions from their governments when they grow old.
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Any thread which disregards scientific evidence will rapidly be owned by yours truly.
And no, they don't care about the 20k that died in Bhopal. They don't care about 50 million people that have died from Malaria since 1972 either.
Saving human life isn't an objective of the modern environmental movement, for a certain segment depopulation is the actual goal.
I don't think you are aware of the implications of global warming... That entire Sahara thing... Do you think the desert will get *smaller* due to global warming?
But who am I kidding... No one cares about Africa...
Depopulation is necessary, by the way. Thermodynamics isn't just for kids.
Global warming doesn't cause desertification.
Depopulation is necessary tho? Kind of showing your hand there and proving the point.
I have already made them. Back up your claims that global warming is the most important environmental issue. Nobody has died because of rising temperatures yet. Thousands of people died in Ukraine because the USSR didn't bother to secure their nuclear plants.
*Thousands*? You clearly fail to understand the gravity of the problem.
Perhaps your computer fails to present this link to you:
http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2010/ ... l.pdf+html
You are apparently a pseudo-intellectual who *can't* read.
No, you are not. If you actually possess a PhD in a field relevant to climate change, then someone wasted a lot of money on you...
I guess you're really significant then. So far, all you have to show for yourself is ad hominem. Maybe you think that snow is more important than third world people.
If you cannot appreciate the fact that I countered your claim with a reference to PNAS, then perhaps you should think twice before presenting yourself as "educated".
You jelly?
*yawn*.
The evidence goes as follows:
CO2 is a greenhouse gas; cars make CO2; the number of CO2 is increasing; the temperature is increasing slightly. Therefore, it's manmade.
Many also use the God of gaps fallacy when it comes to global warming. They think that just because everything about the rising temperatures cannot be explained without global warming (allthough the hockey stick graph was explained a while ago), global warming is manmade.
None of the assembled Eurosceptics seems to have come up with an argument against the most obvious fact at issue.
Three times in the last 150 years, France and Germany have gone to war, and the last two times they have brought much of the rest of the world into the conflict with them. And today? War between European powers is, effectively, unthinkable.
Whatever the failings of the EU are--and they are myriad--one cannot deny that the prospect of an intra-European war is remote in the extreme. And that has a great deal to do with the integration of various European powers into the larger political entity.
And the least deserving Peace Laureate must surely be Kissinger--aspirational to be sure, but at least Le Duc Tho had the good sense to refuse the prize, not least because peace had not yet been achieved in Vietnam. A close contender must be Arafat, Peres and Rabin.
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My Wiki-Fu says otherwise. Counter-claim?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desertification
Please elaborate.
Read this (And I mean *read* it)
http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2010/ ... l.pdf+html
How can you seriously think that scientists have overlooked the sources of CO2 in the atmosphere? Do you live in some sort of cocoon reality where *you* know everything and people who have devoted their entire scientific careers to studying climate change are idiots?
Peer reviewed science > random internet petition.
Oh, and...
BS
Now please stop trolling my thread, troll.
Are you for real or are you trying to make AGW proponents look bad? Yes, man-made global warming is real but it's still far from being the only major pressing issue in the world today.
The manmade part is 3% of the gravity here. 97% of the annual emissions are directly from mother nature herself.
http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2010/ ... l.pdf+html
I have commented on this. PNAS is one scientific journal. There are many others. You argument goes as follows:
Someone said something and that someone has more education than you do. Therefore someone is right and you're wrong. Ad populum, in other words. I'm capable of using Google as well, like you just did. One mouse click will find several scientists "who knows more than you do".
I read better than you, by the look of it. I debate better as well, as I do not use outdated fallacies believing that it impresses people.
I do not have a PhD in a relevant field, but by the sound of it, you do not even have a high school diploma. Al Gore dropped out once from law school and once from theology. He does have a bachelor's degree in political science, though, but this has nothing to do with climate.
You've demonstrated that you can use Google, copy and paste. Congrats!
I can do that as well, look:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... on_LEADTop
Hey everyone, I'm right! Someone on Google agrees with me! This is my thread now! I, like everyone else, am able to use Google to find professionals who agree with me on something!
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Three times in the last 150 years, France and Germany have gone to war, and the last two times they have brought much of the rest of the world into the conflict with them. And today? War between European powers is, effectively, unthinkable.
Whatever the failings of the EU are--and they are myriad--one cannot deny that the prospect of an intra-European war is remote in the extreme. And that has a great deal to do with the integration of various European powers into the larger political entity.
And the least deserving Peace Laureate must surely be Kissinger--aspirational to be sure, but at least Le Duc Tho had the good sense to refuse the prize, not least because peace had not yet been achieved in Vietnam. A close contender must be Arafat, Peres and Rabin.
It would seem like NATO and the unified front against Soviet domination kept Europe at peace than their shared market place. Correct me if I'm wrong but the EU as it exists today hasn't even been around that long.
The loss of democracy and self determination will not end well in Europe tho. Europe doesn't seem very peaceful today with the rioting, the rise in extremism, the gaining momentum of secessionist movements. It seems like only a matter of time until there is blood shed.
It's a questionable to say that the EU alone has kept Europe at peace since WWII to say the least but I can say the EU will be responsible for whatever comes out of the crises that are going on with in it's borders now.
CO2 is a greenhouse gas; cars make CO2; the number of CO2 is increasing; the temperature is increasing slightly. Therefore, it's manmade.
*BZZZZZZZT*
No, wrong, try again. Maybe do some research first. You might start by reading a little basic Sagan from five decades ago.
Hey everyone, I'm right! Someone on Google agrees with me! This is my thread now! I, like everyone else, am able to use Google to find professionals who agree with me on something!
'Cause the WSJ opinion page is an equally valid source regarding science...
The manmade part is 3% of the gravity here. 97% of the annual emissions are directly from mother nature herself.
... but the science demonstrates that global warming is caused by the *man made* part, so your post is as relevant to climate change as phrenology is to medicine.
http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2010/ ... l.pdf+html
I have commented on this. PNAS is one scientific journal. There are many others. You argument goes as follows:
Someone said something and that someone has more education than you do. Therefore someone is right and you're wrong. Ad populum, in other words. I'm capable of using Google as well, like you just did. One mouse click will find several scientists "who knows more than you do".
There are many scientists who know more than I do about climate change. But it warms my heart that 97-98 percent of them agree with me.
I read better than you, by the look of it. I debate better as well, as I do not use outdated fallacies believing that it impresses people.
More BS. You make Harry G. Frankfurt proud.
I do not have a PhD in a relevant field, but by the sound of it, you do not even have a high school diploma. Al Gore dropped out once from law school and once from theology. He does have a bachelor's degree in political science, though, but this has nothing to do with climate.
Irrelevant (I have a master's degree with grades equivalent to summa cum laude, by the way.)
You've demonstrated that you can use Google, copy and paste. Congrats!
I can do that as well, look:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... on_LEADTop
Hey everyone, I'm right! Someone on Google agrees with me! This is my thread now! I, like everyone else, am able to use Google to find professionals who agree with me on something!
I have to stand in AWE (alongside LKL) when facing someone who compares an article from a top tier scientific journal with an opinion piece in a newspaper. You make George Carlin proud, too.
Oh, and look at this.
http://wwwp.dailyclimate.org/tdc-newsro ... -influence
Your capacity for source criticism can be described with the following formula (where 0 is complete stupidity, and 1 being infallibility):
The number 1 divided by Graham's number
Acknowledgement of Excessive Exaggeration of Self-Importance: Now please stop trolling Jacoby's thread, troll.