Are Zionists white supremacists?

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It's funny that Zionists like to associate their opponents with antisemitic Nazis, because the way I see it, Zionism is another branch of white supremacism. They're basically a bunch of racist white people who want to steal brown people's land and act as if they're morally superior to the brown people because of their Western culture. They exploit white Americans' old prejudices about people of color in order to milk our support, hence why we support them. The funny thing is that although these white Zionists claim to be Jewish nationalists, they have no more personal connection to Israel than Malay Muslims do to Arabia. If anyone is descended from the ancient Israelites (who were brown people despite while old Charlton Heston movies might make you think), it's the Palestinians, not white Europeans of any faith. White people have stolen enough land from indigenous people of color as it is, we don't need Zionists advocating more of it.

A significant portion of the native born Jewish population of Israel are dark of skin (but not African negro). Many Israelis have Yemenite ancestors and they are dark. It is true the the Ashkenazic Jews, who were instrumental in founding the State of Israel ended up as leaders (which only makes sense, since they made the State). But in the three or four generations following Yemenites, and people who ancestors were from the Shiekdoms, and even from north Africa (mostly Egyptian and Ethopian) have managed to do quite well in Israel. So enough foolishness about racial superiority. Being white means dick to Jews. Being Jewish is what counts. Only you Gentiles make a stink over skin color.

ruveyn

If the Israelis were half as racist as you claim, the Palestinians wouldn't even be alive right now.

The Israelis have demonstrated incredible restraint, they could wipe out the Palestinians at any time easily in under 12 hours they could decimate the Palestinians.

Furthermore you guys need to learn history not simply accept the bull****!

When Israel first became a country, it was attacked and managed to fight off everyone else in the region. The Palestinians got caught in the middle of the slugfest, and after the dust cleared the other Arab Countries had seized control of the land that should have gone to the Palestinians.

It wasn't until the Six Day War that Israel took Golan Heights, Gaza Strip, West Bank, and the Sinaii away from the other Arab countries that Israel got control of the land the Palestinians are in. I'm sure the Israelis would have been more than happy to turn that land over to the Palestinians if it weren't for the fact it ended up becoming a buffer so they would have time to react to another attack.

Fact of the matter is that the Palestinians should be yelling at the British, and the other Arab Countries about their current situation.

And they can stay. They didn't come up with Zionism or try to oppress their Muslim neighbors, white Jews in Europe did. Those whites need to get their pasty asses out of the southern Levant and leave the native Palestinians in peace!

But then the non-white-supremacist part of the world would withdraw their support and the Israelis wouldn't have anyone to milk aid from. Furthermore, without the civilized world's support (assuming the racist stereotype of the evil fanatical brown people is true), the Middle Eastern natives would wipe Israel off the map.

90 percent of the people of Israel are Sabras. They were BORN there. That makes them native to. Before the Jews were scattered to the four corners of the Earth, -their- ancestors were dwellers in the Holy Land, even before there the Muslims. Jews have been around for 3200 years -as Jews-. A continuous cultural and racial heritage even unto this very day. We are the natives of the land, since the Canaanites and the other nations conquered by the Israelites have long since disappeared.

It would be ever so nice if you Gentiles cleared the fog out of your heads and the wax from your ears and learned a little history. But that is a hard thing to ask, so I will not insist. A Christian Gentile with a proper sense of history is almost unheard of.

ruveyn

Sounds more like you are being racist.

The Jewish people are not racists, they don't care what color someone's skin is.

Every Arab that stayed in Israel when it first became a country, became a citizen of Israel, regardless of their religion. When Egypt made peace with Israel, Egypt got their Sinaii back. If the Palestinians made peace, and actually meant it, based on the past track record of Israel, they would get the West Bank and Gaza under their control. Only thing I could see disrupting this, is if someone tried to roll through West Bank or Gaza to attack Israel.

The Israelis could have easily more than doubled the size of Israel by keeping the Sinaii, but they didn't want it.

I don't think a two state solution will work, due to limited landsize, it would help if some neighboring country contributed some land to this (which is unlikely).

A) this is not exactly true.

B) Its untrue in a rather ironic way.

Its true that Indonesian Muslims are not descendants of people from Mecca. And Irish Christians are not descended from Christ's ethnically Jewish disciples.

Islam, and Christianity, are both creeds. Niether are ethnicities. But Judaism is both a religion, and an ethnicity.

European Jews are infact largely descended from the ancient inhabitants of Judea. Jews really are Jews.

There have been many genetic studies that have born out that diaspora jews are distinct from gentiles in their host countries. But Jews are not distinct from ALL gentiles. They are very similiar genetically to middle east Arabs- and especially to Palestinian Arabs.

Russian Jews (for example) have more kinship to Palestinian Arabs than they have to Slavic Russian Gentiles-according to the genome.

Thus the modern Israel/Palestine conflict is, genetically speaking, a civil war within the same tribe.

( there have always been two competing theories- that european jews are descended from the ancient inhabitants of Judea, and the competing idea that they are local european converts to judaism. But the DNA studies of recent decades bare out that the first theory is right).

But even so- after 18 centuries in Europe Western Jews are culturally European. So fighting over land with their Arab cousins may not be "White Supremacism", but it could be considered a remnant of European colonialism in the third world.

Please define Zionism.

A belief held by some Jews (especially Orthodox) that eventually God will return His people (the Jews) to the land which He gave to them (the Holy Land). It is an implicit part of Zionism to believe that the Jews of the world are a distinct People or Nation even though they are dispersed all over the world.

In point of fact, the Jewish people have an unbroken cultural heritage that goes back 3200 year to the time of Abraham. So there is a Jewish identity. Zionism asserts that identity.

Christians generally think of themselves as citizens or subjects of some Nation, not as part of a religious People, distinct from all others. So an American Christian will think of himself as American. Many American Jews think of themselves (primarily) as Jewish (not Israeli!! !! !) first who happen to be American. I live in America and America is my country, but no matter where I am, I am Jewish. There is no conflict since in the U.S. neither law nor custom in any way interfere with my Jewish practice or identity. And my being Jewish in no way cancels my obligation to obey all the laws and pay my taxes.

In a better world, it would be a fine thing for Jews to live in their own country, but the world we are in is NOT the better world. I consider myself lucky to live in the U.S. where there are no legal or cultural impediments to being what I am.

ruveyn

You're looking at the Ashkenazi complexion and assuming that they have no genetic history in the Middle East. You are incorrect.

A secular political ideology that sought to solve the perceived Jewish problem by establishing a home land of their own, where all Jews who wish to remain Jews should/could move to.(1) There is a religious element involved, since Judaism is their tribal/ethnic religion. But the early Zionists where mostly liberals (in the original sense, not the modern American one), socialists, or even outright Marxists; while continuing to identify themselves with the Jewish ethnicity.

And the OP's statement about zionists being white supremacists, here is what present day Jewish nationalists write :



(1)The Jewish State, Theodor Herzl

lol... how are Zionists "white Supremacists?" Most Jews in Israel are Mizrachi and Sephardic [Middle Eastern], not European Jews. Second, the DNA of European Jews resembles that of Middle Easterners more than it does of European non-Jews. And the DNA of European Jews, Middle Eastern Jews, and other Jews is similar and show that they descend from a common Middle Eastern population i.e. the Israelites. But nevertheless, yes there are converts to the Jewish religion. By converting, they become part of the Jewish religion. European Jews who rebuilt Israel were fleeing persecution from European countries and bought the land at disproportionately high prices from the Arabs [even from many Arab anti-Zionists]. More Arabs came as a result of the Jews making the desert bloom [Mark Twain visited the land before the Jewish settlers came and described it as a desolate waste land]. Israel stole land from nobody. It's their country. The Arab refugee problem is caused by wars started by the Arabs, period. For you to assume that Zionism is white supremacism because it is seen as associated with white Europeans is racist. Show me one example of how Zionist espouses a "white supremacist" ideology. Being white doesn't make you a white supremacist.