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08 Nov 2012, 1:36 pm

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Here's something I'm sick of: I'm sick of hearing people talk about "preserving culture". Sometimes they are talking about white culture. Sometimes they are talking about black culture. Sometimes they are talking about Jewish culture. It all sounds the same to me.

I have taken stabs at America in the past but I think that the worst country ever is China. China shows us what happens when the government spends tons of time preserving culture. China is probably the most racist country in the world. Many Chinese people actually believe that they are a different species from the rest of humanity. I learned that a couple of days ago when I was watching and episode of The Incredible Human Journey.

China's intense cultural conservatism has stripped the Chinese people of anything remotely resembling humanity. A while ago a Chinese man sued his wife because their child was "ugly" ... and he won the lawsuit. In most countries parents don't call their children ugly because they simply know that that's wrong.

http://planetivy.com/news/12331/man-divorces-sues-wife-for-being-ugly-wins/

I wish that people on the right on the right and the left would stop trying to hold humanity back with their "cultural preservation" nonsense.


Cultural convservatism is the same as genetic inbreeding. Do it for too long and things get mighty ugly and self-destructive.



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08 Nov 2012, 4:49 pm

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Cultural convservatism is the same as genetic inbreeding. Do it for too long and things get mighty ugly and self-destructive.


Jewish Culture has kept Jews alive for 3200 years in spite of energetic attempts to wipe us out.

Where is the Imperium Romanum (Roman Empire)? No where. It is dust. Those bastards trashed the Temple in Jerusalem but the Jews are still around to note the fact the Imperial Rome is gone for good.

If it is all the same to you, I will keep my culture because it has kept me.

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08 Nov 2012, 5:00 pm

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Dantac wrote:

Cultural convservatism is the same as genetic inbreeding. Do it for too long and things get mighty ugly and self-destructive.


Jewish Culture has kept Jews alive for 3200 years in spite of energetic attempts to wipe us out.

Where is the Imperium Romanum (Roman Empire)? No where. It is dust. Those bastards trashed the Temple in Jerusalem but the Jews are still around to note the fact the Imperial Rome is gone for good.

If it is all the same to you, I will keep my culture because it has kept me.

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Jewish culture is also incredibly stagnant, and in my experience very closed minded and judgemental. Effective at keeping the Jews alive? I'll grant you that, but it's also incredibly effective at making people hate you.


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08 Nov 2012, 5:09 pm

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Dantac wrote:

Cultural convservatism is the same as genetic inbreeding. Do it for too long and things get mighty ugly and self-destructive.


Jewish Culture has kept Jews alive for 3200 years in spite of energetic attempts to wipe us out.

Where is the Imperium Romanum (Roman Empire)? No where. It is dust. Those bastards trashed the Temple in Jerusalem but the Jews are still around to note the fact the Imperial Rome is gone for good.

If it is all the same to you, I will keep my culture because it has kept me.

ruveyn


Jewish culture is also incredibly stagnant, and in my experience very closed minded and judgemental. Effective at keeping the Jews alive? I'll grant you that, but it's also incredibly effective at making people hate you.


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08 Nov 2012, 5:28 pm

abacacus wrote:
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Dantac wrote:

Cultural convservatism is the same as genetic inbreeding. Do it for too long and things get mighty ugly and self-destructive.


Jewish Culture has kept Jews alive for 3200 years in spite of energetic attempts to wipe us out.

Where is the Imperium Romanum (Roman Empire)? No where. It is dust. Those bastards trashed the Temple in Jerusalem but the Jews are still around to note the fact the Imperial Rome is gone for good.

If it is all the same to you, I will keep my culture because it has kept me.

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Jewish culture is also incredibly stagnant, and in my experience very closed minded and judgemental. Effective at keeping the Jews alive? I'll grant you that, but it's also incredibly effective at making people hate you.


Judaism has kept Jews alive more then Jews have kept Judaism. The world is just filled with haters who presuppose inordinate divine favoritism in the success of the Jews. It is Freud's "Return of the repressed" ... it resurfaces in the subconscious every now and then -- you would think people would funnel this hate and jealousy into learning how the Jews do it better.


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08 Nov 2012, 5:55 pm

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Judaism has kept Jews alive more then Jews have kept Judaism. The world is just filled with haters who presuppose inordinate divine favoritism in the success of the Jews.


I still haven't quite worked out why the idea of the Jews running the world is a bad thing - if they did, the world would be in a much better state than it is now. But then I'm not a Jew-hater.



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08 Nov 2012, 6:02 pm

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Judaism has kept Jews alive more then Jews have kept Judaism. The world is just filled with haters who presuppose inordinate divine favoritism in the success of the Jews.


I still haven't quite worked out why the idea of the Jews running the world is a bad thing - if they did, the world would be in a much better state than it is now. But then I'm not a Jew-hater.


Allowing any one group, person, race, culture, religion, or whatever else to run the world, no matter who they are, is a bad idea.

Otherwise, I pretty much agree with this. I want nothing to do with them as a culture, there are more accepting places I can go thank you very much, but I can't deny how effectively and efficiently I've seen a multitude of Jewish folk run things.


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08 Nov 2012, 6:04 pm

I'm against "conserving" backwards, nonsensical, non-functional aspects of "culture" for no other reason than it's "culture."

However, there are plenty of other "cultures" that I don't want touching my "culture" with a ten-foot pole. I'm more than happy with keeping our "borders" up, thank you very much.


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08 Nov 2012, 6:19 pm

Tequila wrote:
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Judaism has kept Jews alive more then Jews have kept Judaism. The world is just filled with haters who presuppose inordinate divine favoritism in the success of the Jews.


I still haven't quite worked out why the idea of the Jews running the world is a bad thing - if they did, the world would be in a much better state than it is now. But then I'm not a Jew-hater.


To be honest, Jews aren't comfortable with the fact that they disproportionately have a hand in shaping most of the worlds markets, media, academia, and entertainment. They were progressing the state of humanity 3000 years ago, and when given the chance to have a country all to themselves, they built the marvel of the Arab world(to those who see it for what it really is), what Alexandria, Rome, Cairo, and Athens were to the ancients. A free, liberal, democratic society, free press, a progressive judiciary, companies at the forefront of technology, lead the west in Women's and Gay rights, you name it, Israel probably did it first or better. Where else can you freely entertain ideas anywhere in the world without fear of persecution? Arabic politicians freely dump on Israel in the Knesset and then go home never once worrying whether someone will kill them or a family member.

I don't think the world would be better if the Jews ran it, but I wish the world would humble itself, and respect elevation, innovation, and progress irrespective of the source it comes from, including Jews.


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08 Nov 2012, 6:33 pm

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Arabic politicians freely dump on Israel in the Knesset and then go home never once worrying whether someone will kill them or a family member.


It's become that much ingrained in them, this hatred of Israel, that the few brave Arabs who speak up for Israel are likely going to suffer enormously for their freedom of thought. It's sad.



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08 Nov 2012, 7:00 pm

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Jewish culture is also incredibly stagnant, and in my experience very closed minded and judgemental. Effective at keeping the Jews alive? I'll grant you that, but it's also incredibly effective at making people hate you.


I honestly don't see what you're referring to. They are very hard working and don't indulge people who aren't, but there are worse traits in most other cultures. I feel at ease around Jewish people.



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08 Nov 2012, 7:34 pm

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Jewish culture is also incredibly stagnant, and in my experience very closed minded and judgemental. Effective at keeping the Jews alive? I'll grant you that, but it's also incredibly effective at making people hate you.


I honestly don't see what you're referring to. They are very hard working and don't indulge people who aren't, but there are worse traits in most other cultures. I feel at ease around Jewish people.


It could just be the local Jewish community, I don't know.


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08 Nov 2012, 8:39 pm

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Cultural convservatism is the same as genetic inbreeding. Do it for too long and things get mighty ugly and self-destructive.


Jewish Culture has kept Jews alive for 3200 years in spite of energetic attempts to wipe us out.

Where is the Imperium Romanum (Roman Empire)? No where. It is dust. Those bastards trashed the Temple in Jerusalem but the Jews are still around to note the fact the Imperial Rome is gone for good.

If it is all the same to you, I will keep my culture because it has kept me.

ruveyn


There's a difference between a people keeping their culture and a gov. system set up to enforce its protection. For most of Jewish history they have had no gov. since they had no nation to call their own. Until now. And now, that gov. is quite apart from the practices of the 'pure' form of Jewish faith and instead its a very european style form of gov.

Your culture did not 'keep' itself. It adapted and changed while retaining a core value system. That is not conservatism.



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08 Nov 2012, 9:21 pm

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Your culture did not 'keep' itself. It adapted and changed while retaining a core value system. That is not conservatism.


Retaining the core is the essence of conservatism. The core is what matters. The other stuff are adjustments to the environment.

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08 Nov 2012, 9:32 pm

The area I love on was considered for a UNESCO world heritage site,this area was very isolated and has it's own dialect,things like that are worth preserving,folksongs like Lomax recorded,folklore,foods,etc....not that they are superior in any way,just unique.

This is in Ozark's dialect:
I'm going up yonder on the bench to gom around with an old biddie,well have poke sallet,pone,dry land fish,cat head biscuit,pot likker(this is not alcohol),if you eat too fast it might get stuck in your guzzeltoot,it'll be larrupin good,then well have a sip of wildcat.They say the old gal is red in the comb,were likely to root up the peach orchard.Youns watch out for that spreadnadder down by the seep.

As the old folks die out most of this unique and colorful language will be lost.