Reading mind in films test
the problem with this test is that is was designed by Baron-Cohen. a great deal of the things he takes for granted about empathy and emotional intelligence, especially regarding gender differences, is not necessarily reliable or valid in the real world.
interestingly... for empathy tests, if men do not know they are being tested, they will score the same as women. society tells men they don't understand emotions and can't "read" what people are feeling, so they believe it. but if you trick them by testing them on the sly, they are no worse than women at reading emotions.
that is totally true, yes. the only way they could get an accurate result was to trick the test subjects (they set up a situation with a loved one where they had to guess what they were thinking or feeling, if i recall correctly, but they were never told what they were being tested for)
So you would basically have to manipulate them for the accurate score.
Not all manipulation is bad.
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the problem with this test is that is was designed by Baron-Cohen. a great deal of the things he takes for granted about empathy and emotional intelligence, especially regarding gender differences, is not necessarily reliable or valid in the real world.
interestingly... for empathy tests, if men do not know they are being tested, they will score the same as women. society tells men they don't understand emotions and can't "read" what people are feeling, so they believe it. but if you trick them by testing them on the sly, they are no worse than women at reading emotions.
that is totally true, yes. the only way they could get an accurate result was to trick the test subjects (they set up a situation with a loved one where they had to guess what they were thinking or feeling, if i recall correctly, but they were never told what they were being tested for)
This sounds a lot like stereotype threat. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereotype_threat
the problem with this test is that is was designed by Baron-Cohen. a great deal of the things he takes for granted about empathy and emotional intelligence, especially regarding gender differences, is not necessarily reliable or valid in the real world.
interestingly... for empathy tests, if men do not know they are being tested, they will score the same as women. society tells men they don't understand emotions and can't "read" what people are feeling, so they believe it. but if you trick them by testing them on the sly, they are no worse than women at reading emotions.
that is totally true, yes. the only way they could get an accurate result was to trick the test subjects (they set up a situation with a loved one where they had to guess what they were thinking or feeling, if i recall correctly, but they were never told what they were being tested for)
So you would basically have to manipulate them for the accurate score.
Not all manipulation is bad.
no manipulation, just basic study tactics where they don't tell you ahead of time what they are researching. this prevents the subjects from manipulating their responses to fit the predetermined social expectations. it's fairly typical for a research study, unless researchers are blind to how society has influenced our thoughts about ourselves.
Verdandi, yes. it is very powerful. another study found that women scored significantly lower on a math test when they had to write their gender at the top of the test before answering questions. there was no other difference between the tests that 2 groups of women completed. when society tells men and women over and over that they are different, it makes them different.
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Do you have any details on this research? It looks very interesting.
If you look through his original papers, Prof Simon B-C admits his results are not very conclusive and that this test is not very accurate. I included this test on the Aspie Tests website because as far as I know it doesn't appear anywhere else. I have to say I do find the Aspie tests results intriguing. When I created that version of the test I added a timer, expecting Aspies to be significantly slower than NTs. The actual results seem to indicate otherwise.
I think Noetic may have a very good point. I do well on this type of test but in real life I have failed pretty spectacularly sometimes. There is a huge difference between an on-line test and real life where you aren't concentrating specifically on interpreting emotions and lots of other things are happening at the same time.
There are a few other possible problems with this test:
You do also have to wonder how many of the people who say they are NT actually are. People have to take these tests for a reason and I don't see that many NTs who are mostly unaware of Autism are likely to ever take them. If you look at the results of some of the other tests a significant number of 'NT's score very high on the AQ, RAADS etc. Another problem is the sample size. As very few NTs take the tests, a few low scorers will significantly affect the results.
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Oops, I should have been clearer. I meant these studies:
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I've tried about 5 times to take this test, but scene 7 never loads once you press play, it stays black so I can't continue the test.
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If you look through his original papers, Prof Simon B-C admits his results are not very conclusive and that this test is not very accurate. I included this test on the Aspie Tests website because as far as I know it doesn't appear anywhere else. I have to say I do find the Aspie tests results intriguing. When I created that version of the test I added a timer, expecting Aspies to be significantly slower than NTs. The actual results seem to indicate otherwise.
I think Noetic may have a very good point. I do well on this type of test but in real life I have failed pretty spectacularly sometimes. There is a huge difference between an on-line test and real life where you aren't concentrating specifically on interpreting emotions and lots of other things are happening at the same time.
There are a few other possible problems with this test:
You do also have to wonder how many of the people who say they are NT actually are. People have to take these tests for a reason and I don't see that many NTs who are mostly unaware of Autism are likely to ever take them. If you look at the results of some of the other tests a significant number of 'NT's score very high on the AQ, RAADS etc. Another problem is the sample size. As very few NTs take the tests, a few low scorers will significantly affect the results.
i read most of it in "Delusions of Gender" by Cordelia Fine. she doesn't do any original research herself, but she compiles and explains a massive amount of information from credible sources. she is able to find a great deal of information that fairly clearly explains that "male" and "female" minds are sociocultural constructs and not biological realities.
Cordelia is well worth reading just because of the treatment the "extreme male brain" gets in her book.
http://www.cordeliafine.com/delusions_of_gender.html
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That's odd. All the player does is download flash videos and play them. If it plays the first 6 it should load the rest. I got a report of this fault through the Aspie tests contact page. Was that you?
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That's odd. All the player does is download flash videos and play them. If it plays the first 6 it should load the rest. I got a report of this fault through the Aspie tests contact page. Was that you?
Yes it was me.
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Test taken on 31 December 2012: You scored 18.0 out of 22 in 7.2 seconds
The average score for males with ASD is 12.3 out of 22 in 9.2 seconds
The average score for females with ASD is 11.4 out of 22 in 7.4 seconds
The average score for males with suspected ASD is 12.6 out of 22 in 10.8 seconds
The average score for females with suspected ASD is 12.2 out of 22 in 10.9 seconds
The average score for male neurotypicals is 9.7 out of 22 in 15.0 seconds
The average score for female neurotypicals is 14.8 out of 22 in 8.9 seconds
Neurotypicals on average score lower?
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