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09 Jan 2013, 3:20 am

Docs don't make money when they prescribe drugs; they make money when they get you out of the office with a script and get someone else in and then out, too, during the time that they might have spent sitting down with you to explain what you could do other than take the drug. Less time per patient = more patients = more copays from the insurance company.
Lots of patients like it this way, too - taking a pill is easier than cooking for oneself and exercising.



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09 Jan 2013, 8:35 pm

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What changes and benefots have you noticed so far???


I wrote a list somewhere about the changes I noticed in my son:
Chronic Bed-wetting - stopped
Nose Bleeds - stopped
Growing pains - decreased
Negative behaviours - decreased dramatically
Focus - improved (according to him)
Language output - improved
Appetite - increased
Cravings - decreased

Lately we are struggling with honey. He seems to react from it and he wasn't tested for sensitivity towards it. It's organic and from a local farm.

As for me:
Brain fog - stopped
Energy - improved
Language output - improved (kind of ties into brain fog though)

I have other health issues I need to take care of but after a year, not bad.



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09 Jan 2013, 8:37 pm

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I can't eat cake or cookies or pasta or bread or whatever pretty much ever again. Even the gluten free stuff is just... horrible and makes me feel icky.


Try a grain-free diet, low carbs and high fats. See if that makes you feel better. You're trying things out anyway.



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09 Jan 2013, 8:45 pm

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Its all this bullshit "low fat" marketing that gets on my nerves. People don't realize when fat is removed from a product the food manufacturers have to add sugar and flavoring chemicals like MSG to make it taste halfway decent. Excitotoxins in these flavoring agents cause brain cell death and are addictive drugs- the industry knows this and they are "rolling in the dough." Thanks in part to our culture of immediate gratification and gimme gimme now attitudes with an absence of thought about long term health and no food culture. People love the way fake food makes them feel right after they eat it and will just take an OTC like pepto-bismol a couple hours later with no second thought about why their bodies aren't working right.


Absolutely. It's a no-brainer yet people choose to turn a blind eye. At the end of the day, someone is profitting. Cigarettes is known to cause cancer yet it's still being sold to consumers. You buy a toy that's deemed "unsafe", it gets pulled off the shelves right away. Cigarettes are not unsafe??



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09 Jan 2013, 10:54 pm

LKL wrote:
Docs don't make money when they prescribe drugs; they make money when they get you out of the office with a script and get someone else in and then out, too, during the time that they might have spent sitting down with you to explain what you could do other than take the drug. Less time per patient = more patients = more copays from the insurance company.
Lots of patients like it this way, too - taking a pill is easier than cooking for oneself and exercising.


I hit on your point. The Docs goal is quantity not quality. They are kind of stuck because they are so outnumbered they feel like they can help more people and do more good by getting them in and out. But I've heard of Doc's getting non-monetary "kickbacks" from Pharma suppliers as well.

Ultimately the docs are just a pawns in big pharma's game... Pharmas definitely are making a killing.



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12 Jan 2013, 12:19 am

ASDsmom wrote:
Lately we are struggling with honey. He seems to react from it and he wasn't tested for sensitivity towards it. It's organic and from a local farm.

As for me:
Brain fog - stopped
Energy - improved
Language output - improved (kind of ties into brain fog though)

I have other health issues I need to take care of but after a year, not bad.

Honey is high-fructose.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honey



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12 Jan 2013, 12:27 am

NOC3 wrote:
LKL wrote:
Docs don't make money when they prescribe drugs; they make money when they get you out of the office with a script and get someone else in and then out, too, during the time that they might have spent sitting down with you to explain what you could do other than take the drug. Less time per patient = more patients = more copays from the insurance company.
Lots of patients like it this way, too - taking a pill is easier than cooking for oneself and exercising.


I hit on your point. The Docs goal is quantity not quality. They are kind of stuck because they are so outnumbered they feel like they can help more people and do more good by getting them in and out. But I've heard of Doc's getting non-monetary "kickbacks" from Pharma suppliers as well.

Ultimately the docs are just a pawns in big pharma's game... Pharmas definitely are making a killing.

Yes and no; docs get a lot of money from pharma for doing things like giving seminars to other docs about how great drug x is, but in the last decade they've been more constrained about direct kickbacks.
Pharma does make a killing by advocating off-label, untested uses for drugs (psych meds to kids, for instance), for getting new patents on reformulated combinations of drugs, for tweaking non-active parts of molecules and calling it a new drug, etc, etc, etc. and they can be downright evil in hiding negative side-effects.
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Some of their products really *are* very helpful to a lot of people, and help sick people live a lot longer. My grandmother would have been dead years ago from her breast cancer, were it not for the chemo drugs produced by big pharma; I work in a hospital, and I see every day the fundamental good that a lot of these drugs can do, from pain relief to panic attack relief. I've had two collegues with bipolar, and the one who took his meds was calm, responsible, and easy to get along with (and had a happy, secure family); the one who didn't would sometimes not even show up to work (and got involved with a lot of very dangerous people).



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12 Jan 2013, 8:10 pm

I tried a GFCF (wheat and dairy free) diet for part of 2012, and lost weight. I then relapsed. :cry: :oops: But I'm back on it now. There's an excellent book called Wheat Belly by a Dr. William Davis out there that details how bad GMO wheat is for you. The author thinks that gluten is being deliberately added into products because of its appetite stimulant properties. Appetite stimulation was totally unintentional, but it's real. My mom stayed on the GFCF diet for all 2012 and lost 70 lbs. My mom is NT, BTW. I think that the "toxins" you talk about are largely derivatives of wheat and HFCS.



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12 Jan 2013, 8:42 pm

LKL wrote:
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Honey is high-fructose.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honey


Maybe. It's also feeding the candida (yeast). We were told to lay off for a little while longer. I think I will.



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13 Jan 2013, 11:19 am

Just a little fact here: I am a registered, licensed organic farmer, and I have read the entire US Dept of Agriculture's manual of rules and regulations regarding "organic produce". "Organic" is a lie. There can be just as many pesticides in fruits & vegetables labeled "ORGANIC" as in any others. The only rule is that the farmer must "attempt to remediate pests and to fertilize by natural means" prior to the application of standard chemicals. Anyone who thinks otherwise, needs to to a bit of reading :wink:

Here's a link to the FDA's list of allowed chemicals in organic farming: http://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?c= ... 2.7&idno=7

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13 Jan 2013, 12:07 pm

THIS ^^

Slapping an "Organic" label on a package means only that you can jack the price up and over normal foods. For instance, Trader Joe's markets will not accept GMO foods at all, and most of their stuff has that "Organic" label. Trader Joe's is also more expensive than your average barrio mercado.


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13 Jan 2013, 2:34 pm

Fnord wrote:
THIS ^^

Slapping an "Organic" label on a package means only that you can jack the price up and over normal foods. For instance, Trader Joe's markets will not accept GMO foods at all, and most of their stuff has that "Organic" label. Trader Joe's is also more expensive than your average barrio mercado.


I find the best compromise buying vegetables at my Chinese market. They're almost as cheap as the cheapest grocery stores but better quality usually.



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13 Jan 2013, 4:24 pm

kx250rider wrote:
Just a little fact here: I am a registered, licensed organic farmer, and I have read the entire US Dept of Agriculture's manual of rules and regulations regarding "organic produce". "Organic" is a lie. There can be just as many pesticides in fruits & vegetables labeled "ORGANIC" as in any others. The only rule is that the farmer must "attempt to remediate pests and to fertilize by natural means" prior to the application of standard chemicals. Anyone who thinks otherwise, needs to to a bit of reading :wink:

Here's a link to the FDA's list of allowed chemicals in organic farming: http://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?c= ... 2.7&idno=7

Charles


Thanks for the link. I personally think "Organic" is "better" but I'm not naive to believe is fool-proof. I know there's a lot of red-tape involved, particularly when the label can be bought. It'll be an interesting read, I bet.



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13 Jan 2013, 4:26 pm

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14 Jan 2013, 11:39 am

ASDsmom wrote:

Thanks for the link. I personally think "Organic" is "better" but I'm not naive to believe is fool-proof. I know there's a lot of red-tape involved, particularly when the label can be bought. It'll be an interesting read, I bet.


I would agree, with the caveat that it's not "black or white". Not as if the choice is to buy an apple saturated with malathion, vs. one that came directly from a virgin land 1000 miles from the nearest pollutant. That's what I feel is the lie about "organic" produce. The way the naturalist and ultra-healthful grocers hype the organic produce is very deceiving, and I would say that 95% of the people I tell about the actual laws of organic farming, are appalled and shocked. The thing is, we've been farming well within the "organic" parameters for years, and we're registered to market organic avocados, but we don't in fact market as organic because it's too much paperwork, and too much inspection. But the bottom line is that if you sell crappy goods, nobody will buy from you, and that principle keeps most farmers working hard to raise excellent quality crops.

Charles