I reeeaaly hate america

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This is why I'm an Anarchist (not the hot-topic Anarchist but I mean an actual political party) all forms of government are crap. Communism never works out, Democracy goes corrupt, monarchy is already corrupt, and the one with the religious leader is just moronic. I'm just sick of leaders shooting the bull all time. Political leader are, to quote Houlden Caulfield, "Phoney"

someone famous once said of democracies, you get the leaders you deserve.

I don't understand how someone can like the USA under Clinton, but not under Bush Same country, same institutions, same people. I have never visited, but I like America.

Some people are obessed with political matters(I was when younger). So they see the world through their political obessions and perhaps unknowning assign alot of their own problems to the action or lack of action to their political enemies. The real
truth being a person alone has more to do with their on situation ,within the limitation of no free will or no real choice we all enjoy anyway.

not so fun when you hear it everyday from hoodie chavs trying to mug you

We have chavs too, only we call them Wiggers, Wanksters, Posers, Wannabes, etc. I don't really hate "America", it's just a bunch of dirt, I hate the american Government, Entertainment, People, Food, Sports, etc. I'd rather be called a brit or a hosehead than a redneck infedel. I come from the middle of New York State by the way, it's full af NT's and idiots.

And I don't really hate Canada. It's just that I feel more British than Canadian.

I have always loved America no matter who happens to be in office. We may not be perfect but it is home and I would not rather live anywhere else. The awesome thing about America is if you are unhappy here you can buy yourself a plane ticket anywhere you want, so feel free go to the ends of the earth, or stay and quit complaining and become part of the solution instead of part of the problem.

I don't hate Canada either, of course. This is somewhat off topic, but I was reminded. I really like the old Canadian national flags with the British red ensigns (link).

I dont 'hate' America but I hate its politics. I hate the patriotism as I find it blind. I hate crossing my old border, back in Ontario, and entering a 'shithole' called 'Michigan' that rivals most poor African nations in 'progress.' I also enjoy the amount of crime along the 'Border' towns. Many American cities are in SAD sad shape. Richest country in the world and you wouldnt guess it - THATS democracy corrupted at its finest.

If I could live in another country, I would pick the following 5 countries:

1. Japan
2. South Korea
3. United Arab Emirates
4. Australia
5. Brazil

Tim

The Athenian system was also far from a perfect democracy, as women, slaves and resident foreigners were excluded. The Roman Republic also had issues. For example the Commitia Centuriata or centuriate assembly voted in centuries, in this context devisions within the Five Classes (which excluded the proletarii or capite censi) and was heavily weighted in favour of the better off, and this assembly elected the highest offices of Praetors, Consul and Censors (in ascending order, though the last had less real power) though the Senate could appoint a dictator in time of national crisis, rather like martial law while the two tribal assemblies (they voted in units known as tribes) of the People (patricians and plebeians combined) and of the Plebs were similarly weighted. The Senate had earlier been reserved for patricians, and even afterwards was at least theoretically bound by property restrictions

However the idea of an ecclesia itself (used here in the earlier sense of assembly rather than the later sense of church) or a commitia (assembly, not committee) where the assembled community of citizens meet to vote on legislation is perhaps not without merit, though I can see that it worked better for a city state than for a large nation. The nearest modern equivalent is a referendum on a change to the constitution. Are not these called plebiscites, echoing the name of laws passed in the plebeian assembly convoked by one of the tribunes of the plebs?