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25 Apr 2013, 7:35 pm

FireoftheStorm wrote:
One question on the theory of Heat Death/Big Crunch - why do we think we can predict an end to the universe?
I'd personally think such assertions on the universe from our world would be like the old astrologers making assertions of the solar system from their city-states. (no offense to anyone who is an astrologer. It's an interesting protoscience)

"We have the best technology/mathematics possibe at the time," You may say. "So did they," I say. Nowdays, we look at them as crackpots. On day, perhaps, people will think the same of modern science.

My arguement; Science shouldn't try to judge the universe.


Scientists think they can predict the end of the universe because they have special computers and whatnot that can somehow measure things throughout the universe, and they make conclusions based on that data. As for the crazy religious people who think they can predict the end of the universe, I don't know how to explain that to you. People have been predicting the end of the world (which, a long time ago, equated to the end of the universe) for thousands of years.

Also, scientists can study whatever they wish. If they want to try to study the entire universe, that's fine. There are no laws regulating what scientists study, so long as they can observe it and come up with testable hypotheses. You are not the ruler of all scientific study, so I really don't think you have a right to say what scientists get to study.

(Then again, I personally think humans are too stupid to fully understand the universe, but that's a whole different ball game.)



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26 Apr 2013, 8:12 am

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(Then again, I personally think humans are too stupid to fully understand the universe, but that's a whole different ball game.)

I agree. Still want to try, though. *Wonders if that makes myself a "crank"*

Thanks for the links. One query, though: some of the ideas seem disreguarded because they are not practical/practicable, rather than not theoretically possible, yet even the theory seems disreguarded. Is that to discourage people known as "plastic (insert profession here)s" or is the community walled to the theory as well. (Homeopathy? Oh, do you mean treatment for accidently drinking a poison?)


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26 Apr 2013, 2:35 pm

Fnord wrote:
So what you really seem to be complaining about is that people in general have no real understanding of what makes a scientist and what science is all about. Here are some links to websites that may help you in your studies of Science v. Pseudo-Science:

Cosmophobia

The James Randi Educational Foundation

The Rational Wiki - Article on Anti-Science

The Skeptic Project

The Skeptic's Dictionary


I love the JREF. By the way, I miss the 1,000,000 dollar challenge and where is Uri Geller?



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26 Apr 2013, 5:26 pm

cubedemon6073 wrote:
Fnord wrote:
So what you really seem to be complaining about is that people in general have no real understanding of what makes a scientist and what science is all about. Here are some links to websites that may help you in your studies of Science v. Pseudo-Science:

Cosmophobia

The James Randi Educational Foundation

The Rational Wiki - Article on Anti-Science

The Skeptic Project

The Skeptic's Dictionary


I love the JREF. By the way, I miss the 1,000,000 dollar challenge and where is Uri Geller?


JREF Million-Dollar Challenge

By the way, total assets in the Challenge fund are up to $1,402,878.65 as of March 31, 2013.

Uri Geller has been trying to pay off all of the lawsuits filed against him. He hosts a few TV shows in Europe, and has bought a small island off the coast of Scotland to search it for buried Pharoaic treasure.


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28 Apr 2013, 7:29 pm

Fnord wrote:
cubedemon6073 wrote:
Fnord wrote:
So what you really seem to be complaining about is that people in general have no real understanding of what makes a scientist and what science is all about. Here are some links to websites that may help you in your studies of Science v. Pseudo-Science:

Cosmophobia

The James Randi Educational Foundation

The Rational Wiki - Article on Anti-Science

The Skeptic Project

The Skeptic's Dictionary


I love the JREF. By the way, I miss the 1,000,000 dollar challenge and where is Uri Geller?


JREF Million-Dollar Challenge

By the way, total assets in the Challenge fund are up to $1,402,878.65 as of March 31, 2013.

Uri Geller has been trying to pay off all of the lawsuits filed against him. He hosts a few TV shows in Europe, and has bought a small island off the coast of Scotland to search it for buried Pharoaic treasure.


Oh! I thought James Randi shut down the challenge.