Women: Go back to Hell where you came from.

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To begin with there was not one thing sexist about what I said. Not one, nadda, you just want to pretend the truth is biased towards females.
You only point out the good things from feminism, and ignore the bad things.... Hm, I wonder why this is? I agree, women should be allowed to be equal, and feminism BEGAN as a good thing. It's gotten horribly corrupted by selfish b*****s like you who want to be dominant rather than equal. You b***h about wanting to be equal but then you insist that men have to do ALL the courting... In a man's world, WE have to do ALL the courting. You just have to take your pic when one of the 3 or 4 men a week on average or more who hits on you comes along that you like. Point is, you can get a guy. Most aspie men can't get a girl. This isn't a sexist statement, it's facts. If anything YOUR being sexist.
Yeah sex is a physiological need:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow's_h ... y_of_needs
But you can get a guy if you want to, hell look at the statistics, walk into any autism group and all the women have a NT man and the AS men are all lonely.
I've stood up against guys trying to condone rape before, I've stood up against guys claiming that women should be relegated to the kitchen. I'm not sexist. You are.
Apparently any 50/50 solution that doesn't end in thousands of men starving your going to have an issue with. You won't even admit that your in demand. You don't want equality, you want superiority, and what kills you is deep down you KNOW I'm right but you can't admit it.
My 50/50 is legalising willfull prostitution and making it more affordable through an alternate payroute. Your 15/85 idea of equality means large numbers of men have to starve and suffer. See the difference, I seek a mid ground that would be fair to all, you seek dominance.
f**k your stupid ass political f*****g correctness, I don't believe in throwing away the truth so pansies don't get their feelings hurt. People have to grow some balls to step up to their own criticisms. Men aren't perfect either, and I've found quite a few sexist men on here, which is just as repulsive. In fact I think there's a sickening double standard when it comes to getting action, where a man will be treated like an icon a woman will be treated like a whore, and to me that is wrong. Because rather you wanna see it or not, I do see women as human beings. But your problem lies in that I also see men as human beings, and I don't think we should be left to starve because of feminists selfishness or will to dominate. If you want it, you can get it. So screw us, right? And that attitude will breed illness which will lead to more women getting sexually abused, way to go for feminism, breeding their own enemies through their own ignorance, I see how much your really helping women out
Point blank women control sex, there is no 50/50 on it. The man has to impress the woman through courting, the woman just has to take her pic.
I'm not saying in any way shape or form that it excuses sex offenders, but I am saying this type of attitude from feminists is equally to blame for it.

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20 ... s_evil.htm

er, wrong link, that was some religious psycho's link so his link had little credibility but here is a better link:

http://podium.deonandan.com/femevil.html

Check this one out:
http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/12/29/a-c ... -feminism/

how old are you? really? because based on this, you don't know JACK s**t. You think I can just walk outside and get a date? Are you nuts? You really truly believe that women have it easy? That we control sex? Do you ever get off the internet and experience reality or are you just basing your opinions on a few lame websites and some girls who weren't into you?

Here's a better question to ask: have you ever been physically forced onto a bed and had a dick shoved into your mouth? Do you want me to tell you what that's like?

And the assumption that I want to be dominant is crap. You don't know me personally and can't make that assumption. I have a boyfriend because I actually stumbled across a guy who A) wasn't going to physically assault me, or verbally bash me and B) actually thought all my quirks were charming and part of what makes me unique, as opposed to just looking at me as the freakish girl. I also have PATIENCE. I haven't been with a lot of guys in my life, and contrary to your belief of all women having it easy to find someone, a lot of girls go through horrible bouts of depression JUST LIKE YOU because they can't find someone who will ACTUALLY LOVE THEM.

Sure, I could go outside and get laid, anyone can, even horribly malformed people can, there's a fetish for everything out there!, but in terms of actually having a relationship?! IT'S JUST AS HARD FOR FEMALES. IT IS EQUALLY HARD.

Also, I would rather not be referred to as a female dog. Call a female dog a b***h.

And I don't know where you get off with all these numbers and stats about MY political views when you don't know me or my political views. I DON'T think men are inferior and I DON'T want men to suffer and starve. I LOVE GUYS. MOST OF MY FRIENDS ARE MALES. MOST OF MY IDOLS AND HEROES AND PEOPLE I'VE LOOKED UP TO ARE MALES. As a filmmaker, I'm a female in man's industry, I work wih and trust and respect men all the time. I love guys who respect WOMEN and other people though. I love guys who treat EVERYONE with respect, not guys who spew crap about how women should burn in hell and that they are all demon spawn, etc. etc. That kind of attitude will NOT get anyone laid. I also don't love guys who call me a b***h. And I never wanted guys to do all the courting. I actually do most of the courting in my life. YOU'RE MAKING GENERALIZATIONS OF WOMEN. The assumption that all girls want men to do the courting is crap. My mom asked my dad to marry her. These women exist, they're out there, you just need to get off the internet, stop calling everyone who doesn't agree with you a "b***h", and start treating EVERYONE with respect. Because honestly, you're saying you respect women, but you're not showing it.


Have fun being alone.

Ok, but the point is you don't HAVE to court men, men will approach you anyhow, while this might get annoying, you have options. How many aspie females on here have a NT boyfriend vs. how many AS men have a girlfriend? Go ahead, do the math.
I'm not being sexist. Feminism is sexist, it's a cult. But I'm getting bashed for merely stating clear, obvious facts that any total dumbass could see if they weren't looking at it biasely. Maybe you just need to hit puberty or something, I dunno.
Rape is a horrible thing, I'm not condoning rape. But I'm also not condoning man-hating feminist "kill all men" propaganda and filth.
I didn't make any assumptions on your political views, you said it all when you stood up for feminists, you showed me exactly where you stand. I don't need an organization or cult to tell me women should be equals, but apparently you do, and aparently you do hate men or you wouldn't be a feminist.... My guess is your just spouting off a load of victimology.
Seriously, count up the AS women who've found a man and then count the number of AS men who have a woman, most AS females have NT husbands so the male/female AS ratio looses alot of water there. Go ahead, do the math

If it's any consulation Ken's rants were just as bad for being sexist, I don't support that line of thinking either.

I've hit puberty three times over now.

Anyway, you're assuming things of my beliefs because I stood up for feminist principles. Maybe your ideas of what feminism are don't mesh with mine, but all the feminists I know are not male hating b***h trolls from hell spewing burning hot lava from their genitals like you seem to believe. Where do you live? And what feminists have you actually met?

Last time I checked, I was not a card carrying member of any group or cult, I'm just a female who has been abused, discriminated against, and continues to struggle just to get my voice heard in this world. You know, like all the Aspies here.

And no, men aren't killing themselves to court me. In fact, I've gone years, YEARS without being asked on a lousy date. Every time I've taken the chance and asked THEM on a date, they get freaked out and run the other way. I'm not hideous, I'm just not what NT men want. I'm lucky in that I found someone, most of my female and male friends, NT or not, are alone and depressed and striking out in relationships. It's not just an Aspie thing and its not just a male thing, it's a HUMAN thing. We all suck at this and there's never going to be an easy answer to finding love. That's why there's millions of dating websites, and escorts, and prostitutes, and sex advice columnists, etc. BECAUSE WE ALL SUCK AT LOVE AND SEX AND RELATIONSHIPS. No one is born with the charm unless they're born with the money and that's just how it goes. I've been cheated on, sexually abused, had my heart thrown to the wolves, been completely rejected and laughed at in front of everyone. Relationships are hard and getting them is even harder. I was always that girl chasing the guy who was not interested, I was always that girl obsessed with the guy who's already taken.

It's hard no matter what you have between your legs. Stop making assumptions of things. Even though many of the Aspie girls here have boyfriends, it's because there is significantly LESS Aspie girls period. The ratio here kills your logic. If there was an even number of females and men who were Aspie and the females predominantly were in relationships, THEN you'd have a point.

I also hang out with the weird crowd, the kids who are artists and musicians, actors and writers. You'll find all kinds of neurodiversity in these groups because the level of focus required to be an artist is not something an NT can handle. We're all OCD, ADHD, etc. And so we all found each other and date each other and hurt each other and make each other happy and support each other because we all relate with each other. We're used to each other's odd ways. That's where I found my boyfriend. God knows he's all sorts of neurological oddities.

It'll happen for you, but it takes time and it takes making that effort. Someone who stands up for the rights of women are not evil people, they're people who've seen how much crap has been dealt to women over the years. Do a study of historical practices (are you familiar with the geisha women of China and how their husbands forced them to bind their feet? This is just a small example). No one is asking men to do these barbaric things. No one is telling men to relinquish their right to vote or their right to own land or their right to marry who they chose (arranged marriages are STILL in practice in many parts of the world, but the women have no say at all in these practices.) No one here is calling for the heads of men to roll. We've all been hurt by men and women, it's an equal thing.

I understand you're hurt, but its not the feminists that have hurt you, its the stupid societal pressures placed by EVERYONE that have.

BTW. I'm 24. I'm way past going through puberty.

So I can gather by what you've told me that you've had atleast a couple of relationships already, and your 24 (reguardless if the other one worked out or not, atleast it was something). Aspie men often go OUR WHOLE LIVES without even getting treated like human beings by the opposite gender, not even so much as a mere touch. Women cringe away from us.
There are some females, a very few, who are just as bad off, but it's either because their critically handicapped or they look to manly (and I'm usually not shallow about looks but it's kind of hard to be attracted to someone that looks manlier than I do, because I'd have to be gay to be attracted to her). But not looking so manly is something that can be worked on, no tons of makeup or anything are needed, just enough female features to be identified as female. It's not that she's lowering her chances because she's autistic, it's because she looks too manly, and that creates a big self defeating dynamic in attraction because if she's looking for a man and she looks like a man herself, only a gay man can be attracted to her, and she's not looking for a gay man. That is something that the individual woman can do something about.
Men are required to have better social skills, in order to attract the woman. The woman doesn't need these skills, in the wild the men would compete for the female's attraction, she'd pick 2 of them to fight over her, and she'd take the winner. The whole focus of the game is for the man to obtain the woman, to this day. I know this sounds degrating, I do not make the rules. Because of the woman's objective status, she can use her sexuality to gain things men can't.
Lemme give you an example here. A girl named Wendy works with me at Pizza Hut, she's f*****g the boss. This is how she gets out of having to work. She still gets paid, she gets anything she wants basically... Now lets put the shoe on the other foot.... Lets say if my boss was a woman, and a guy (of signifigantly lower rank I might ad) tried to come onto her that way, he'd get seven shades of s**t slapped out of him.
Or, lets say a male police officer stops a female speeding, and she blows him to avoid a speeding ticket, she'd get by scott free, but lets say a FEMALE cop stops a MALE speedster, and the guy offers to boink her, he's gonna get charged with sexual harrassment to an officer dropped on him.... Now, I don't support that behavior in either case, but that's not the point I was trying to make though. The point is, women have sexual powers in society that give them alot of power. I find it degrating to women myself, but many women take advantage of it.

I'm sorry you were raped, nothing can excuse what that animal did to you. Hopefully he's dead and rotting in hell. But you do not need to belong to an organization or a group to believe in a cause, feminism isn't very helpful to women... In fact it restricts women.
I hate to say it, but what logiktech said about when women gained their freedom, rather than it becoming equal the shift started to go the other way and put the shoe on the other foot. I agree that all people, male or female, should be equal. We should all be free. But I think prostitution is a needed thing for this to truely happen, willing prostitution, not anything where the women are forced into it. Some women actually do enjoy that line of work. And it's a needed position to be taken in society. Because some men can't get any intimate contact any other way.
You've already had atleast 2 relationships by the age of 24, there is no way you can understand my reality.

I would gadly go bakc to hell, you want to be the oneto off me? go right ahead sweet heart.

Don't encourage it. I don't mind "f**k you God", but "f**k you women"?

KenM, hope you're doing better today. Everyone makes mistakes and all.

Your reality is certainly unique. My reality is a bit lame at the moment, but I digress. Let's examine these two paragraphs:

You've experienced a situation whereby a woman is sleeping with her boss to get out of working. That's deplorable, ok. You've attempted to extrapolate additional data from this experience; trying to see what could happen when the genders' are swapped. Thing is, if your brain was a computer, then the output device would have the following words flashing across the screen: INSUFFICIENT DATA. You just don't know if hypothetical situations would happen that way for sure. A male cop isn't necessarily going to accept that blow job offer because that's highly unprofessional, and male and female cops alike can care about that. What makes you say the male copper is going to accept this offer from the woman caught speeding? What if she is not his type, or he is too professional to consider it? His upstanding cop partner prevented it from happening?

Your preconceptions fill in any blanks or unknown variables. That's not uncommon, and I do this all the time as well. To generalise isn't always a bad or unnecessary thing. But I think it's important to recognise when it's not working for you. When it closes your mind and prevents you from exploring other possibilities. That could be why you made all those assumptions about my beliefs and my ethnicity in another post. To me, your reply seemed to come out of nowhere, but what could have happened is my post reminded you of certain qualities you believe certain groups of people have ie: feminists and white people. They follow these set behavioural patterns in your mind, and you can recognise these patterns. You saw these patterns in my post.

We're hypothesizing and all, so I thought I would share my thoughts. And it probably made no sense, but I tried. My main point is, you can't accurately assume what people are going to do or how they're going to behave merely because of their gender.
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After reading Veronica's post, I have absolutley no respect for ken. He is a hypocite, acting the victim while victimising other people.

yeah i dont like it much either, what an ass, but the way my life is right now I probebly deserve it.

The double standards you discuss are not the cause of women, they're the cause of men. And you think there's no males banging their female bosses?

What I'm trying to say is that, contrary to your personal experiences, there's just as many women out there who can't get action period. Yeah I've been in relationships, but I also don't sit in my room feeling sorry for myself. As much as I hate being social, I HAVE TO. And I carry myself with respect and authority when I'm out in public. This is hard for me, VERY HARD. I cry a lot about how overwhelming it is, but I would die if I couldn't make film. I've known guys who are completely hideous and creepy who are in relationships. It's all about biting the bullet and making yourself seen in some way, and being genuine to yourself and carrying yourself with CONFIDENCE. My boyfriend was a sad virgin when I met him, but he's a hell of a musician and a hell of a nice guy, and that attracted me to him. He carried himself with confidence even though he was very hurt by not having any girlfriends and being hurt by close friends of his.

Here's a secret: girls don't like men who sit in a corner feeling sorry for themselves. Regardless of what you look like or how awkward you are, if you respect yourself, it comes through no matter how many internal walls you bury yourself behind. The old cliche of "you must love yourself before you can love anyone else" is TOTALLY TRUE. It's a stupid cliche, yes, but if you're not loving yourself and seeing the good qualities in your own self, how the hell are you going to expect anyone else see the good in you?! Reading people is very difficult for me, but I can always spot someone who hates themselves.

Chin up kid, you've got a whole lifetime ahead of you. Put your focus in the things you like doing, appreciate the gifts you have, and make yourself seen in someway and you'll find attention from the opposite sex will happen naturally. BE CONFIDENT WITH YOURSELF.

I'm not "feeling sorry for myself", I just CAN'T GET IT, no matter how hard I try, no woman will even notice me, and if she does she's freaked out by me because I'm different. You've had 2 relationships by the age of 24. You might can argue that men (particuluraly alpha males) have a role in setting up the double standard, and this 1 sided courting ritual, but it still gives females a helluva advantage... I've heard NT females brag about that advantage. I'm not trying to "whine", I'm just pointing out facts. You really haven't ever truely starved for it though. Not like I have.