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30 Jul 2013, 10:48 pm

Have u gone and taken a whole days worth of tests just to go back for the results and find that they are completely sounding nothing like u, or anything any other doc has said. What can I do about getting this eval deleted or discredited or whatever it is I need to do. I am not sure uf this is the right place for this post, I hope so. I have never been great at purting things in the right catagory. :-) On top of it all this doc was very rude... almost mean. She told me I was a waste of her professional time. The only things I spoke about at all were answers to her questions and questions about her assessment/my results. She was sighing in exsasperation and rolling her eyes at me it was horrible. What can I do about it?


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31 Jul 2013, 3:15 am

too bad you had to put up with that greaserag of a clinician.



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31 Jul 2013, 4:19 am

Try to get another one to erase or at least contradict the first.


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31 Jul 2013, 5:57 am

Sighing in exasperation? Rolling her eyes?

It sounds like this person is in the wrong line of work! A second opinion is a necessity.



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31 Jul 2013, 7:00 am

Yes. I had an IQ and autism test a month ago to check for learning disabilities. I scored really high on English but deficient on math. I also scored severe on the autism test. My doctor said the low scores were flukes, even though I tried my very best, knowing that I needed my scores to accurately reflect my ability. She also asked a question, "Is the moon in the sky?". I got confused as to what she meant. Most children percieve the moon to be in sky, their concencus on the sky being that it's a flat, solid thing. I was confused if she was testing that I know the "sky" was really several layers of atmosphere, the only reason it's blue is because of the physics of light, and that the moon was a very great distance away, only percieved to be within the two-dimensional assumption of the sky.

She marked it as odd.

Any other answer that was 'strange' was percieved as a thought disorder.

My score on the autism test?
I was not allowed explanation, and she said I would not have been able to walk through the doirs and I'd need a handler.

Granted, because my thinking isn't in line with everyone elses, I had trouble answering the questions on the test. The neurotypical answer choices just couldnt accurately reflect what my experience was. (Anyone else experience this? If it's not an academic test, with academic answers, it's impossible to get the right choice)


So anyways, I'll skip a ramble about my hospitalization. I just wanted you to know that I understand the frustration; and I'm really sorry you're going through it too.



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31 Jul 2013, 7:45 am

Find sane clinicians BEFORE you agree to neuropsych testing.

Because that stuff follows you.

Looking back on it, the people who did mine were nice, sane, really wonderful people...

...but I wish that I had dug in my heels and refused to do any of it until I had the chance to talk to someone about the life-altering ramifications of having a hard diagnosis.

I hoped for help. I got some, I guess-- I got what I needed, a qualified professional to tell me I was still as much a human being as any other biped-- but not what I had gone looking for.

Find sane clinicians, and redo the testing-- at this point, once you find those people, redo it if you have to sell plasma and eat mac'n'cheese made with water for nine months to pay for it. Because those labels will follow you for the rest of your life.


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31 Jul 2013, 8:39 am

Annaliina wrote:
She also asked a question, "Is the moon in the sky?". I got confused as to what she meant. Most children percieve the moon to be in sky, their concencus on the sky being that it's a flat, solid thing. I was confused if she was testing that I know the "sky" was really several layers of atmosphere, the only reason it's blue is because of the physics of light, and that the moon was a very great distance away, only percieved to be within the two-dimensional assumption of the sky.

I wonder why they obviously use childrens tests on adults.

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She marked it as odd.
Any other answer that was 'strange' was percieved as a thought disorder.

Your way of thinking is not the slightest odd. It is analytical, and is probably the same, that she herself would be. If she wouldn´t, she´d have no business testing adults.

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My score on the autism test?
I was not allowed explanation, and she said I would not have been able to walk through the doirs and I'd need a handler.

That is downright arrogant and rude!


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31 Jul 2013, 10:01 am

Jensen wrote:
Annaliina wrote:
She also asked a question, "Is the moon in the sky?". I got confused as to what she meant. Most children percieve the moon to be in sky, their concencus on the sky being that it's a flat, solid thing. I was confused if she was testing that I know the "sky" was really several layers of atmosphere, the only reason it's blue is because of the physics of light, and that the moon was a very great distance away, only percieved to be within the two-dimensional assumption of the sky.
She marked it as odd.
Any other answer that was 'strange' was percieved as a thought disorder.

Your way of thinking is not the slightest odd. It is analytical, and is probably the same, that she herself would think. If she wouldn´t, she´d have no business testing adults.


I had this problem with tests all through school. I often thought the test writers were stupid because they asked questions based on questionable premises, or were just wrong. But I learned to "guess what they want" and give that answer, even if it really bothered me.

When I was talking with evaluators, they remarked on my deep analysis and questioning of every question--this seems to be part of my cognitive style. I don't accept that the expected, conventional perspective is correct, so I have to look at what the question actually means.

Some people responded well to this and look at the way my mind is actually working, others just noted that I am not doing the expected thing and at best tagged me as dysfunctionally weird, or at worst as incompetent. That was more a problem with people in schools, though.



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31 Jul 2013, 10:32 am

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Annaliina wrote:
She also asked a question, "Is the moon in the sky?". I got confused as to what she meant. Most children percieve the moon to be in sky, their concencus on the sky being that it's a flat, solid thing. I was confused if she was testing that I know the "sky" was really several layers of atmosphere, the only reason it's blue is because of the physics of light, and that the moon was a very great distance away, only percieved to be within the two-dimensional assumption of the sky.
She marked it as odd.
Any other answer that was 'strange' was percieved as a thought disorder.

Your way of thinking is not the slightest odd. It is analytical, and is probably the same, that she herself would think. If she wouldn´t, she´d have no business testing adults.


I had this problem with tests all through school. I often thought the test writers were stupid because they asked questions based on questionable premises, or were just wrong. But I learned to "guess what they want" and give that answer, even if it really bothered me.

When I was talking with evaluators, they remarked on my deep analysis and questioning of every question--this seems to be part of my cognitive style. I don't accept that the expected, conventional perspective is correct, so I have to look at what the question actually means.

Some people responded well to this and look at the way my mind is actually working, others just noted that I am not doing the expected thing and at best tagged me as dysfunctionally weird, or at worst as incompetent. That was more a problem with people in schools, though.


Omg, you just wrote my life story.

I'd always have to tell people that I wasnt doing ut on purpise or trying to be difficult.

Would you that's a style of thinking, or something rooted in Asperger's? I know the terms are neurotypical versus neurodiverse, but which end does this lie on? Something that could develop from a normally seveloped brain? Or is it indicative of a more neurodiverse beain?



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31 Jul 2013, 10:47 am

Annaliina wrote:
She also asked a question, "Is the moon in the sky?". I got confused as to what she meant. Most children percieve the moon to be in sky, their concencus on the sky being that it's a flat, solid thing. I was confused if she was testing that I know the "sky" was really several layers of atmosphere, the only reason it's blue is because of the physics of light, and that the moon was a very great distance away, only percieved to be within the two-dimensional assumption of the sky.

She marked it as odd.


As soon as I read the question, I stopped and thought of my answer...which was similar to what you wrote that you answered. Of course the moon isn't in the sky! :roll: She at least could have asked if it appears to be in the sky...

Was this on the autism test or the IQ test? Which autism test did you take? How old are you? If you are a teen, did she give you the test for children instead of the one for adults? That could make a big difference. I certainly didn't have any questions like that. For my autism assessment, I took the WAIS-IV, the ADOS, Rorschach, House-Person-Tree, TAT, and some others I don't remember. I am an adult, and received the adult versions of the tests (when available). I must have been lucky, because my doc was very professional and neutral...I never felt that she was judging me or trying to push me one way or the other. My only complaint is that it took about two months to get the results!



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31 Jul 2013, 10:59 am

Faye712 wrote:
Have u gone and taken a whole days worth of tests just to go back for the results and find that they are completely sounding nothing like u, or anything any other doc has said. What can I do about getting this eval deleted or discredited or whatever it is I need to do. I am not sure uf this is the right place for this post, I hope so. I have never been great at purting things in the right catagory. :-) On top of it all this doc was very rude... almost mean. She told me I was a waste of her professional time. The only things I spoke about at all were answers to her questions and questions about her assessment/my results. She was sighing in exsasperation and rolling her eyes at me it was horrible. What can I do about it?


I realized I never responded to the OP. ;) What conclusions did this doc come up with (if you don't mind sharing)? How do they differ from your experiences or the observations of other docs? Did she offer you any explanations for her conclusions? Who referred you to this doc? Can you talk to the referring doc? You should be entitled to a second opinion...but the problem is that doctors don't like to contradict other doctors. Therefore, I'd suggest going to a doctor that is completely unaffiliated with the medical group that you are using. You should still be able to do this within your insurance...I'm not 100% sure (especially since wherever you live may have different laws, and I don't know what type of insurance you have, if any), but I believe that if you are insured, your insurance should pay for a second opinion...however, if you are on an HMO and go out of network, there might be a surcharge...I'd double check. If you are going to private doctors, you have all the freedom to go to another doc. Naturally, this all costs money. :? You might also consider filing a complaint about unprofessionalism to the appropriate medical board...at least it will be there for others to see when they are deciding whether or not to go to that doc. "...a waste of her professional time"? Really? Completely unacceptable!! ! :evil:



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31 Jul 2013, 11:47 am

gretchyn wrote:
Annaliina wrote:
She also asked a question, "Is the moon in the sky?". I got confused as to what she meant. Most children percieve the moon to be in sky, their concencus on the sky being that it's a flat, solid thing. I was confused if she was testing that I know the "sky" was really several layers of atmosphere, the only reason it's blue is because of the physics of light, and that the moon was a very great distance away, only percieved to be within the two-dimensional assumption of the sky.

She marked it as odd.


As soon as I read the question, I stopped and thought of my answer...which was similar to what you wrote that you answered. Of course the moon isn't in the sky! :roll: She at least could have asked if it appears to be in the sky...

Was this on the autism test or the IQ test? Which autism test did you take? How old are you? If you are a teen, did she give you the test for children instead of the one for adults? That could make a big difference. I certainly didn't have any questions like that. For my autism assessment, I took the WAIS-IV, the ADOS, Rorschach, House-Person-Tree, TAT, and some others I don't remember. I am an adult, and received the adult versions of the tests (when available). I must have been lucky, because my doc was very professional and neutral...I never felt that she was judging me or trying to push me one way or the other. My only complaint is that it took about two months to get the results!
I apologize for not clarifying. I was tested for intelligence and personality. I believed I had a learnin disorder. My rosarch test aw ful. I could not make shapes out of what clearly wasn't there. It made me have a terrible headache. I'm not sure which test she did for the autism.



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31 Jul 2013, 1:08 pm

Search: "What does the rohrschach test show" and read about it.
I don´t want to read it myself just yet, because I will be doing it 22/8 , and I might manipulate if I know too much :D .


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31 Jul 2013, 1:23 pm

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Find sane clinicians BEFORE you agree to neuropsych testing.

Find sane clinicians, and redo the testing--.

^sane clinicians?
isnt that an oxymoron?

get a reassessment OP,theres no law saying people cant have a second opinion,and not everyone connects with the specialist they get.


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31 Jul 2013, 2:21 pm

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Have u gone and taken a whole days worth of tests just to go back for the results and find that they are completely sounding nothing like u, or anything any other doc has said. What can I do about getting this eval deleted or discredited or whatever it is I need to do. I am not sure uf this is the right place for this post, I hope so. I have never been great at purting things in the right catagory. :-) On top of it all this doc was very rude... almost mean. She told me I was a waste of her professional time. The only things I spoke about at all were answers to her questions and questions about her assessment/my results. She was sighing in exsasperation and rolling her eyes at me it was horrible. What can I do about it?

I read this yesterday, and I have been thinking about it off and on a whole lot. What did you want the outcome of your tests to be? What kinds of questions were you asking? What does the outcome of these tests have on your future? What were the results the doctor gave you? What have other doctors given you for a dx? Why were you taking more and new tests?


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01 Aug 2013, 6:08 pm

Sorry everyone, just couldn't get back here. My regular psychologist and my primary physician referred me to the neuropsychologist for testing on my brain to see if everything is working properly or if I needed brain scans, also because my psych wanted a new eval done since it had been 10 or more years and sh wanted an outside view of me as I seem to be a rather complex patient as she puts it. To bgin with it was because I had been having a lot of strange symptoms. Mainly forgetfulness, more anxiety attacks, stronger fight or flight and irrational fight or flight responses and sensory issues that went way beyond hypersensativity...I could hear purple and tast 6... very strange! I also didn't seem to have a need for sleep or food for weeks then that started taking its toll as well. I have slowly been improving on my own and with help but am still having a lot of problems with this stuff and with gastro and chronic pain of my back. I have also changed into a completely different person as far as food and beverage likes and dislikes. My hypersensitvities and meltdowns are through the roof and I have seemingly lost most of my coping mechanisms I had before.

I have Asperger's, Bipolar 2, Complex PTSD, and many features of personality disorders to include, borderline, histrionic, avoidant, I also have a few learning disabilities like discalculia, dyslxic dysgraphia,and a couple others I can't remember. My IQ is just below what Mensa looks for, I believe my psych said top 15% maybe 10%.... not really that important to me.

The nueropsych's report basically stated in a nutshell that I recntly sufefred a huge trauma, I had very recently succombed to a schizophrenic break and was currently in one of the many cycles of said break, I am a petulant and whinny troubled women who needs inpatient treatment and that I sit on my ass and am a drug addict. The last comes from medical records according to hr report.

Needless to say I was very upset. Thankfully so was my psych... She laughed at a large portion of the report and said that she would be doing the retest herself. I am no where near being a schizophrenic, no offense intended to anyone but that's just not me. The drugs well I have been on either hydrocodone of tramedol for the three years I have been a chronic pain patient. I have an eight year old on the spectrum and a 21 month old in speech and OT with an IEP awaiting his diagnosis, I could not and do not sit on my butt and my medical issues or mostly due to the fact that I never sit down and run myself to death. The word hyper doesn't even cover it, especially if I am in a manic state. On that note none of these teachers or social workers I see every week for my kids would let me have them if I were in need of inpatient treatment.

I think I agree with my psych when she said she thought that som docs gt a bit upset over the IQ results of a patient, specially when that patient asks questions.

Thanks everyone for your support and answers!!


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