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28 Dec 2013, 12:14 pm

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I remember those Israelis who had traveled over to "record the event" and how they where caught dancing and "high fiving"as 3000 Americans lost their lives.


I find that really hard to believe, but then again, it's coming from you so not surprised at all.


Other people would just use Google to check on what I posted, you can see them admitting such on Israeli television, but as an inciter to racial hatred against Muslims, and a supporter of the murderers of 3000 Americans, I can see why you would rather choose to insult me.

I guess you still hold a grudge from when I showed you the article were Former Italian President Francesco Cossiga, who revealed the existence of Operation Gladio, told Italy’s oldest and most widely read newspaper that the 9-11 terrorist attacks were run by the CIA and Mossad, and that this was common knowledge among global intelligence agencies.


These conspiracy theories are based on the same fallacies and the same reasoning as the Holocaust denial theories. Even though the burden of proof is on the conspiracy theorists and proving a negative is impossible, here are a couple of links that show just how stupid these conspiracy theories are:

http://911myths.com/index.php/Main_Page
http://debunking911.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcrF346sS_I



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28 Dec 2013, 12:33 pm

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I guess you still hold a grudge from when I showed you the article were Former Italian President Francesco Cossiga, who revealed the existence of Operation Gladio, told Italy’s oldest and most widely read newspaper that the 9-11 terrorist attacks were run by the CIA and Mossad, and that this was common knowledge among global intelligence agencies.


Huh??? I don't even remember that, and, frankly, I don't really care.



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28 Dec 2013, 1:26 pm

Nambo wrote:
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I remember those Israelis who had traveled over to "record the event" and how they where caught dancing and "high fiving"as 3000 Americans lost their lives.


I find that really hard to believe, but then again, it's coming from you so not surprised at all.


Other people would just use Google to check on what I posted, you can see them admitting such on Israeli television, but as an inciter to racial hatred against Muslims, and a supporter of the murderers of 3000 Americans, I can see why you would rather choose to insult me.

I guess you still hold a grudge from when I showed you the article were Former Italian President Francesco Cossiga, who revealed the existence of Operation Gladio, told Italy’s oldest and most widely read newspaper that the 9-11 terrorist attacks were run by the CIA and Mossad, and that this was common knowledge among global intelligence agencies.


This explanation makes more sense when you consider Building#7 collapsed the following day exactly as a demolition would bring it down after the building hadn't been touched the day before and the government's explanation was "It might have been damaged."

Until the demolition of Building #7 is explained I must believe the espionage story you disclose. Thank you.



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28 Dec 2013, 1:33 pm

ZenDen wrote:
Nambo wrote:
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I remember those Israelis who had traveled over to "record the event" and how they where caught dancing and "high fiving"as 3000 Americans lost their lives.


I find that really hard to believe, but then again, it's coming from you so not surprised at all.


Other people would just use Google to check on what I posted, you can see them admitting such on Israeli television, but as an inciter to racial hatred against Muslims, and a supporter of the murderers of 3000 Americans, I can see why you would rather choose to insult me.

I guess you still hold a grudge from when I showed you the article were Former Italian President Francesco Cossiga, who revealed the existence of Operation Gladio, told Italy’s oldest and most widely read newspaper that the 9-11 terrorist attacks were run by the CIA and Mossad, and that this was common knowledge among global intelligence agencies.


This explanation makes more sense when you consider Building#7 collapsed the following day exactly as a demolition would bring it down after the building hadn't been touched the day before and the government's explanation was "It might have been damaged."

Until the demolition of Building #7 is explained I must believe the espionage story you disclose. Thank you.


Building 7 was badly damaged after debris from two towers with a combined weight of 930,000 metric tonns fell on it. Furthermore, the fire was fed with both diesel from the generators (the fire department had previously discouraged the placement of the diesel tanks) and plastic floor coverings that could burn with 1,200 degrees celcius.



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28 Dec 2013, 2:53 pm

MCalavera wrote:
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I remember those Israelis who had traveled over to "record the event" and how they where caught dancing and "high fiving"as 3000 Americans lost their lives.


I find that really hard to believe, but then again, it's coming from you so not surprised at all.


It's true.

Mossad was watching it happen and recording it. I suppose their jubilee was more over the fact that this event would make us vigorously support anything Israel wanted to do. After all, the Israeli PM told Bush that now we understood what they were always defending against.

That's the stink all over the event. Everyone KNEW it was going to happen, including our government, but for some reason, we did NOTHING except leak out to key parties not to travel on 9/11.



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28 Dec 2013, 4:34 pm

zer0netgain wrote:
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I remember those Israelis who had traveled over to "record the event" and how they where caught dancing and "high fiving"as 3000 Americans lost their lives.


I find that really hard to believe, but then again, it's coming from you so not surprised at all.


It's true.

Mossad was watching it happen and recording it. I suppose their jubilee was more over the fact that this event would make us vigorously support anything Israel wanted to do. After all, the Israeli PM told Bush that now we understood what they were always defending against.

That's the stink all over the event. Everyone KNEW it was going to happen, including our government, but for some reason, we did NOTHING except leak out to key parties not to travel on 9/11.


Please post some solid evidence (wacky conspiracy theories from paranoid web-sites are not evidence).



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28 Dec 2013, 6:04 pm

I remember watching my mom watch smoke pouring out of the towers on tv, but I didn't really understand it then (I was almost 5) and was probably not allowed to watch once I was noticed... When it's mentioned I don't really feel emotion and usually the first thing that comes to mind is the restrictions on freedom that followed it.



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29 Dec 2013, 2:59 am

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I guess you like to incite hatred against the Jews.

Richtig, mein herr?

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I feel that whoever did it is to blame and should face repercussions regardless of ethnicity, but I agree, the holocaust and the Nazis, were great for the Zionists, they can do whatever they like and nobody better dare point a finger at them because they can be accused of being Nazis or anti-Semitic, though I still fail to understand why being anti-Semitic is worst than being anti-Muslims?

Anyway, as Ive said countless times, and even the article re the Italian I mentioned, he said, CIA and Mossad, its Elite Zionism and their Christian Zionist Free mason lackeys that are to blame, most "Jews" are just ordinary decent people who through history have had to face the consequences of your Banking friends actions, though I do agree with you that "Jews" make a very good Human shield for your camps atrocities.



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29 Dec 2013, 8:55 am

I quote from my self it post from thread about history of internet.
http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp5822199 ... t=#5822199

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I'm from Poland, in my country internet become available much later than in west. I remember 1999 as i begged my dad to give my 4 pln a dollar more or less, for Internet Caffe, which was recently opened. I already spend my allowance. And i desperately want to surf the web for fist time in my life :D
I was 13 back than. I remember one day in 2001 i have my allowance and go with my dad on shooing later i go to Internet Caffe, i went there with my dad, he ask me to search on the internet something for him. But this day Internet was terribly lagging. I knew that Polish Internet Land line was much slower than in the west everything loading extremely slow, my dad suggest that i should go to the owner and demand money return . I renumber than on "Wirtualna Polska - Virtual Poland" on of biggest Polish Internet Poland posted new "Atak terrorystyczny na USA - Samolot Uderzył w gmach World Trade Center - Terrorist Attack on USA: Plane hinted World Trade Center Building" My dad said using little crude language that is sick stupid and tasteless joke and insisted me to search on internet about what he asked me.

I think if I was looking for information about diseases of the heart, because my poor dad suffered from heart disease. Sadly, he died in 2002 :(

As I returned home with my dad it turned out that it was not a sick joke, but the truest truth. All Polish and foreign TV stations talked about a terrorist attack on America, it was a memorable 11 September 2001, I hence knew why the Internet work so slowly on that day.

Since 2005, I have high speed internet, at a very affordable price, because municipal heating plant, laying a new heating pipes, laid a fiber optic cable.
By creating a Wroclaw Municipal Internet Network, from what I know it was probably subsidized by the European Union, because Poland joined the EU in 2004


My dad at first think that is unreal and some of testless joke, until he saw this on TV special news.



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29 Dec 2013, 12:51 pm

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Please post some solid evidence (wacky conspiracy theories from paranoid web-sites are not evidence).


1. Do your own research.

2. By your tone, I'd not waste the effort giving you anything. You are prepared to debunk any source you don't approve of thereby making any effort to prove anything to you a waste of time.



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29 Dec 2013, 6:01 pm

Regretablly it turned me into an overpatriotic t***, but eventually I learned not to trust the system so much.


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29 Dec 2013, 6:12 pm

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1. Do your own research.


I did. Common sense tells that a democratically elected government where the majprity of the politicians are smart enough hold college degrees—won't try to cripple it's own economy for lulz. My degree in engineering tells me everything I need to know about why the buildings collapsed.

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2. By your tone, I'd not waste the effort giving you anything. You are prepared to debunk any source you don't approve of thereby making any effort to prove anything to you a waste of time.


I'd be able to debunk all of it to the extent that Occam's Razor favours my explanation.



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29 Dec 2013, 11:49 pm

I was editor of a conspiracy theory website back then. Given that ten years have passed since the collapse of the USSR, and the U.S. had a decade of near uninterrupted growth, I never expected my readership to grow beyond a few crazies. The big issues of the day, as I had on my website, were OPEC hiding the fact that global peak oil was near, how the CIA forced a US Air Force aircraft to land in China, and a debate over whether Alan Greenspan or the WTO really controlled the world. Based on feedback and limited marketing research I had, most of my readers were young, unemployed or underemployed men. I could feed them any cockamanie conspiracy theory I put out there, because these kids needed to cling to a belief.

9/11 was a game changer for me. Here was a society, so victorious in many wars, that they could not concieve of even the slightest defeat. Here was a society, protected by two oceans and friendly neighbors, that had not seen an attack by a foreign power on its mainland since 1815. Here was a society so conceited, so smug, so innocent that they truly believed no harm could come to them, like kids drag racing. The events of 9/11 boggled the mind of every American, especially understimulated youths.

Here was a piece of conspiracy theory gold. I could tell my readers anything they wanted to hear. It was the Mossad, who fired missiles to make the U.S. a vassal state of Israel's! It was Wall Street, hoping to profit from a meltdown in the financial system. It was the IRS, working with Saddam Hussein! It was Satan! I could tell them anything, and it would make more sense than the truth: that it was a random act of terror by a few politically motivated extremists that wanted attention.



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30 Dec 2013, 7:09 am

An old girlfriend had arrived back in Dallas on September 10, so the morning of the 11th still remains frozen in my memory. I woke up to find her crying in front of the TV, assuming she was watching a sad movie. Once I learned the attacks were real, I remained stunned for about 30 minutes...then said, "OK, when we gonna go kill 'em?" I had zero empathy for the terrorists, and I'm still shocked it took us over a decade to kill Osama bin Laden. We should've taken him and Saddam Hussein both out on principle after that.


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30 Dec 2013, 12:11 pm

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An old girlfriend had arrived back in Dallas on September 10, so the morning of the 11th still remains frozen in my memory. I woke up to find her crying in front of the TV, assuming she was watching a sad movie. Once I learned the attacks were real, I remained stunned for about 30 minutes...then said, "OK, when we gonna go kill 'em?" I had zero empathy for the terrorists, and I'm still shocked it took us over a decade to kill Osama bin Laden. We should've taken him and Saddam Hussein both out on principle after that.


Why Saddam Hussein? He didn't attack us.


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