Page 1 of 3 [ 38 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2, 3  Next

bumble
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 26 Mar 2011
Age: 48
Gender: Female
Posts: 3,073

19 Mar 2014, 1:07 pm

pensieve wrote:
Tsproggy wrote:
DevilKisses wrote:
Have you ever met anyone who had self-diagnosed Asperger's syndrome, got tested for it and didn't receive a diagnosis?


I have a current friend over the internet whom after meeting me was 120% convinced that she was the female equivalent of me. I told her that she should really speak to a professional instead of basing her theories on me and it turned out she just has depression and low self esteem.

Wouldn't all people with depression have low self-esteem? Seems a bit sketchy if the doctor made that observation and separated it from depression.



Actually I saw my therapist this morning and she agrees that I have depressed mood but that I don't have self esteem issues. According to her my thinking style indicates my self esteem is very good actually, I just get down about my situation and social isolation brought on by my social problems which she still thinks are spectrum related as opposed to just social anxiety. So it probably is possible to have low mood and have healthy self esteem. I guess it depends on your type of depression (clinical or situational).



Trebornos64
Emu Egg
Emu Egg

User avatar

Joined: 5 Nov 2013
Age: 59
Gender: Male
Posts: 3

19 Mar 2014, 2:12 pm

That would be me.
Three years ago I decided to get an official diagnosis. I had taken several tests online prior to my appointment which led me to suspect AS.........although that was right before DSM V.
The official questionnaire was exactly the same as the online questionnaire.
I assumed I was not diagnosed for these reasons:
A new definition of AS.
I was 46 at the time. If I had made it this far without a diagnosis, why do it now.
I was supposed to have a family/friend fill out the same questionnaire which I decided not to do.
I sensed that the Dr. thought I was looking for SSI benefits which I wasn't. I had a good job at the time.

From the expensive two hour meeting, I walked away even more unsure of myself. I felt the "expert" didn't properly diagnose.
She said that if I went to one of her group meetings, I would know that I didn't belong. I found that remark insulting to those on the AS.

At this point, I am just white-knuckling it. There really isn't anything I can do (which may be what the Dr. thought after seeking help).



linatet
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 8 Sep 2013
Age: 29
Gender: Female
Posts: 934
Location: beloved Brazil

19 Mar 2014, 2:51 pm

Trebornos64 wrote:
That would be me.
Three years ago I decided to get an official diagnosis. I had taken several tests online prior to my appointment which led me to suspect AS.........although that was right before DSM V.
The official questionnaire was exactly the same as the online questionnaire.
I assumed I was not diagnosed for these reasons:
A new definition of AS.
I was 46 at the time. If I had made it this far without a diagnosis, why do it now.
I was supposed to have a family/friend fill out the same questionnaire which I decided not to do.
I sensed that the Dr. thought I was looking for SSI benefits which I wasn't. I had a good job at the time.

From the expensive two hour meeting, I walked away even more unsure of myself. I felt the "expert" didn't properly diagnose.
She said that if I went to one of her group meetings, I would know that I didn't belong. I found that remark insulting to those on the AS.

At this point, I am just white-knuckling it. There really isn't anything I can do (which may be what the Dr. thought after seeking help).


Which doctor was this one? I am searching for experts for na oficial evaluation. At least can you tell me from what área she is?



OJani
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 23 Feb 2011
Age: 50
Gender: Male
Posts: 2,505
Location: Hungary

19 Mar 2014, 3:36 pm

MathGirl wrote:
zer0netgain wrote:
Wind wrote:
I do understand how annoying it can be in the eyes of others for someone to completely self diagnose, because you don't see yourself in the eye of others, and can't judge yourself properly.


While true, I find that "experts" really don't get enough time with you or see your life unfold to really make a correct call on what you are. So if they say you aren't aspie, how "right" are they likely to be if they only spend a short time evaluating you?

There really needs to be a more distinct "pass/fail" test they can run. Observation is fairly unreliable unless you can afford years of therapy.
Unstructured interviews are not very reliable. Standardized diagnostic assessments are much better, but it still depends on the quality of the test. There are many psychometric properties of a test that can be examined to determine its quality.

I know two people who thought they were on the spectrum, but then went in for assessment and were told that they just have ASD traits. One of them is the person I talked about in another thread who "wanted" to have ASD. I agreed with these evaluations.

However, there's also this one psychiatrist who diagnoses ASD in adults in our city and I think he is the only one doing so who is funded by our government health insurance. However, I don't trust the accuracy of his diagnoses, because they're basically just an hour to an hour and a half interviews. This, to me, is highly biased because a person can come up with many prepared things to say and do to make them look more like they have the disorder, and also distort their histories because memories are highly susceptible to change and selective bias. A few people I know may have been falsely diagnosed.

That being said, I don't trust my diagnosis 100%, either. Although it did take into account my documented history and feedback from teachers, I still feel it wasn't thorough enough. Which is why I would like to get a full psychoeducational evaluation. But it's expensive and I will need to find time for it in my busy schedule. The fact that I have this label now helps me get supports and function relatively well, but I feel like I want a more detailed layout of my specific learning and processing challenges.

It's been more than three years since I first met with high-functioning autism and AS. My view on the diagnosis changed a little over this period of time. At first I wanted to be diagnosed because I wanted a reason for my eccentricities and difficulties and also wanted to belong to a group. My diagnosis didn't turn out the way I hoped (and perhaps expected): I was given the amorphous PDD-NOS label, but "at least" I had been officially granted the admission to the autism spectrum...

I've read many self-reports here on WP on how diagnosing processes go, and I know about a few IRL, too. Some of them seem rather superficial imho: no caregivers, former caregivers, parents, people who know the person in question well had been involved at all. I still doubt my diagnosis to a small degree, though it included ADOS and ADI-R standardized diagnostic tools, all well-regarded by ASD professionals. Somehow I get the feeling that if a person (an adult) wants an AS diagnosis for whatever reason, they can get it, if they have the necessary time and money to get one, and have the necessary amount of autistic traits, which I think is a rather loose criterion, in practice may be including as high as 5% of the population (BAP), with various possible underlying mental issues, ranging from social anxiety to bipolar across many labels at various degrees but mostly subclinical, all of which can mimic autistic behavior at a point or another.

Since the professionals who diagnosed me never disclosed to me the necessary information to get to know myself better (which would have been valuable, imo), I've been researching the topic of mental disorders over these years, because I felt that knowing about ASD itself just isn't enough to help myself. In this process it occurred to me that many HFA folks (including me) may have a few traits of different personality disorders that are mostly (but not always) subclinical and when untreated and unrecognized may render the person to underachieve or staggering maladaptively in life.



Verdandi
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 7 Dec 2010
Age: 54
Gender: Female
Posts: 12,275
Location: University of California Sunnydale (fictional location - Real location Olympia, WA)

19 Mar 2014, 5:06 pm

OJani wrote:
Since the professionals who diagnosed me never disclosed to me the necessary information to get to know myself better (which would have been valuable, imo), I've been researching the topic of mental disorders over these years, because I felt that knowing about ASD itself just isn't enough to help myself. In this process it occurred to me that many HFA folks (including me) may have a few traits of different personality disorders that are mostly (but not always) subclinical and when untreated and unrecognized may render the person to underachieve or staggering maladaptively in life.


Autistic people tend to meet the criteria of a higher number of cluster A and cluster C personality disorders than the general population. Also, schizotypal traits were found to be quite common among autistic adolescents, to the point that the distinguishing factor for diagnosis is that if symptoms start in childhood it's autism, but if they start in adolescence, it's schizotypal.



schnozzles
Raven
Raven

User avatar

Joined: 19 Nov 2013
Age: 52
Gender: Female
Posts: 113
Location: Leicestershire, UK

20 Mar 2014, 8:00 am

This is what scares me, that I could be one of those people - even though my therapist is fairly confident that I'll get an "official" diagnosis. For me it's important because it changes me from weird, awkward, lazy to having a neurological condition. One of the reasons I've made such huge leaps forward in therapy in the last few months has been this unofficial diagnosis and the new understanding that it's brought.

...what if they say it's something else???

Trying not to panic about it.

Have sent off my questionnaires to the local psych who does the evals and the wait to see if he'll ask me in for a proper assessment is horrible.


_________________
AS: 141/200
NT: 67/200
AQ: 43/50
You are probably an Aspie.


droppy
Velociraptor
Velociraptor

User avatar

Joined: 3 Oct 2013
Gender: Female
Posts: 477

20 Mar 2014, 12:59 pm

I met some and they were whining because several doctors told them they didn't have Asperger's :lol:
People like that make me laugh, really. I mean, I understand if you don't trust the opinion of a single doctor, but if you get accurately tested several times by several different experts you should just shut up and be thankful that you don't have the disorder. It's like if I insisted to get diagnosed with borderline personality disorder while I don't have it.



Wind
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 23 Jan 2014
Age: 33
Gender: Male
Posts: 526
Location: UK

20 Mar 2014, 1:05 pm

droppy wrote:
I met some and they were whining because several doctors told them they didn't have Asperger's :lol:
People like that make me laugh, really. I mean, I understand if you don't trust the opinion of a single doctor, but if you get accurately tested several times by several different experts you should just shut up and be thankful that you don't have the disorder. It's like if I insisted to get diagnosed with borderline personality disorder while I don't have it.


WORD! :lol:

BPD sucks so much.


_________________
Your Aspie score: 187 of 200
Your neurotypical (non-autistic) score: 25 of 200
AQ: 43
Empathy Quotient: 8
I have ASD, ADHD, Hypermobility Syndrome.


Cash__
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 6 Nov 2010
Age: 55
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,390
Location: Missouri

20 Mar 2014, 3:41 pm

I did it the opposite way. I self diagnosed with PTSD for years. Then after my son got diagnosed with aspergers, my sons Doctor asked to meet me a few times alone. After a few meetings he proceeded to tell me I may have some PTSD issues, but it wasn't the root cause for all my issues. Shortly thereafter I was diagnosed with AS. It can happen both ways.



schnozzles
Raven
Raven

User avatar

Joined: 19 Nov 2013
Age: 52
Gender: Female
Posts: 113
Location: Leicestershire, UK

21 Mar 2014, 5:19 am

Cash__ wrote:
I did it the opposite way. I self diagnosed with PTSD for years. Then after my son got diagnosed with aspergers, my sons Doctor asked to meet me a few times alone. After a few meetings he proceeded to tell me I may have some PTSD issues, but it wasn't the root cause for all my issues. Shortly thereafter I was diagnosed with AS. It can happen both ways.


That's what came out of the EMDR work I did recently - I have PTSD, but actually the root cause of a lot of the trauma we worked on in that session (to do with feeling or being told I wasn't good enough or that I had to hide my true self) is a lack of understanding on the part of either myself or another party.

Looking back at all the incidents we worked through in that session, they could all be explained by ASD traits.

droppy - I honestly don't understand why somebody would want to have ASD or any other mental illness when they haven't got it. It explains so much for me, but regardless of how the diagnosis turns out I will work through the issues I have and try to find a way forward.


_________________
AS: 141/200
NT: 67/200
AQ: 43/50
You are probably an Aspie.


frankieG
Butterfly
Butterfly

User avatar

Joined: 20 Dec 2012
Age: 30
Gender: Male
Posts: 12
Location: United States

21 Mar 2014, 7:57 am

I don't recall ever formally self-diagnosing myself. I took some sort of AS scale and passed with flying colors :D I was diagnosed by a neurologist with AS right as I graduated high school.



linatet
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 8 Sep 2013
Age: 29
Gender: Female
Posts: 934
Location: beloved Brazil

22 Mar 2014, 11:54 pm

schnozzles wrote:
This is what scares me, that I could be one of those people - even though my therapist is fairly confident that I'll get an "official" diagnosis. For me it's important because it changes me from weird, awkward, lazy to having a neurological condition. One of the reasons I've made such huge leaps forward in therapy in the last few months has been this unofficial diagnosis and the new understanding that it's brought.

...what if they say it's something else???

Trying not to panic about it.

Have sent off my questionnaires to the local psych who does the evals and the wait to see if he'll ask me in for a proper assessment is horrible.

I am going (more or less) through the same situation! I will be evaluated in a couple of months, I am already searching the specialists. I am sooo anxious!! ! I totally understand what you are feeling. Tomorrow I am going to tell my sister my suspitions...
Quote:
I know two people who thought they were on the spectrum, but then went in for assessment and were told that they just have ASD traits.

can you explain me what is the difference?



elizabethangeles
Tufted Titmouse
Tufted Titmouse

User avatar

Joined: 16 Jan 2014
Age: 39
Gender: Female
Posts: 47
Location: My house... where else?

23 Mar 2014, 1:22 pm

I am self-diagnosed, I suppose. I really believe I am on the spectrum, and I saw a psychiatrist recently (literally for 30 minutes--- NOT a specialist, btw) who told me I don't have Aspergers. It was like a punch in the gut. It was insulting because I felt like she didn't believe me or even hear that I have these issues I recognize as spectrum issues.

I'm going in for an evaluation in two months at a clinic in NY that specializes in women on the spectrum, so I'll be interested to hear what they have to say. It is a two-day event, and not cheap (~$1000), but much cheaper than evaluations I've found close by me (and that was a coincidence...I wasn't looking for cheaper, just happened that way).

I feel like I finally found my identity in Aspergers. I would be devastated if it was taken away from me because of a medical professional who didn't really know what was going on inside my head.


_________________
AQ=40, EQ=15, IQ=144
Aspie Score: 134/200, NT Score: 82/100
Emotional Intelligence: 57/100
Not diagnosed yet, but it looks pretty obvious to me!


jetbuilder
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 23 Feb 2012
Age: 39
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,172

23 Mar 2014, 2:00 pm

elizabethangeles wrote:

I feel like I finally found my identity in Aspergers. I would be devastated if it was taken away from me because of a medical professional who didn't really know what was going on inside my head.


I feel the same way. It's one of the reasons, along with anxiety over the process and the lack of funds, that I keep putting it off. :cry:


_________________
Standing on the fringes of life... offers a unique perspective. But there comes a time to see what it looks like from the dance floor.
---- Stephen Chbosky
ASD Diagnosis on 7-17-14
My Tumblr: http://jetbuilder.tumblr.com/


linatet
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 8 Sep 2013
Age: 29
Gender: Female
Posts: 934
Location: beloved Brazil

23 Mar 2014, 4:44 pm

elizabethangeles wrote:
I am self-diagnosed, I suppose. I really believe I am on the spectrum, and I saw a psychiatrist recently (literally for 30 minutes--- NOT a specialist, btw) who told me I don't have Aspergers. It was like a punch in the gut. It was insulting because I felt like she didn't believe me or even hear that I have these issues I recognize as spectrum issues.

I'm going in for an evaluation in two months at a clinic in NY that specializes in women on the spectrum, so I'll be interested to hear what they have to say. It is a two-day event, and not cheap (~$1000), but much cheaper than evaluations I've found close by me (and that was a coincidence...I wasn't looking for cheaper, just happened that way).
Quote:
where is it? I am looking for specialists for an evaluation and specialists in women on the spectrum seem like a good idea. In NY the place I know is Asperger Center.

Quote:
I feel like I finally found my identity in Aspergers. I would be devastated if it was taken away from me because of a medical professional who didn't really know what was going on inside my head.

I am afraid the psychologist is going to laugh at my face when I tell my suspicions, or else, after the evaluation say something like: "you don't have AS, you don't have anything, you are just freaking crazy"



elizabethangeles
Tufted Titmouse
Tufted Titmouse

User avatar

Joined: 16 Jan 2014
Age: 39
Gender: Female
Posts: 47
Location: My house... where else?

23 Mar 2014, 6:55 pm

It's called the Aspire Center for Learning. They say on their website that they specialize in adult women with ASD. This is one of the only places I've found that does. I think I found one in Michigan and one in Colorado, but NY is easiest for me.

http://www.aspirecenterforlearning.com/


_________________
AQ=40, EQ=15, IQ=144
Aspie Score: 134/200, NT Score: 82/100
Emotional Intelligence: 57/100
Not diagnosed yet, but it looks pretty obvious to me!