Which political ideology do you most identify with?
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haha half of votes (3) of people are anarchists.
Fascists of the theoretical variety are more tolerable than conservatives - at least Fascists acknowledge the need for radical change
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I chose liberalism, advocating a society and government that promotes and practices freedom, has laws and regulations defending the rights and interests of all citizens (especially the disadvantaged and minorities), but is not hindered by pie-in-the-sky ideology.
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Fascists of the theoretical variety are more tolerable than conservatives - at least Fascists acknowledge the need for radical change
It's rhetoric like that which makes the squares repudiate your position on everything .
My impression is that most conservatives adopt the label before they know what it means. I think it has more to do with cultivating their sense of identity, than trying to elicit desirable outcomes.
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Fascists of the theoretical variety are more tolerable than conservatives - at least Fascists acknowledge the need for radical change
My impression is that most conservatives adopt the label before they know what it means. I think it has more to do with cultivating their sense of identity, than trying to elicit desirable outcomes.
No, that means I'm not bothered or butthurt by the image of jackbooted facists being associated with conservativism.
Coming from the left I take it as a compliment.
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Fascists of the theoretical variety are more tolerable than conservatives - at least Fascists acknowledge the need for radical change
My impression is that most conservatives adopt the label before they know what it means. I think it has more to do with cultivating their sense of identity, than trying to elicit desirable outcomes.
No, that means I'm not bothered or butthurt by the image of jackbooted facists being associated with conservativism.
Coming from the left I take it as a compliment.
If you make the decision that you're only going to govern on behalf of the mega rich, then there is going to be mass resistance. That resistance usually gets suppressed with violence or police state provisions.
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Fascists of the theoretical variety are more tolerable than conservatives - at least Fascists acknowledge the need for radical change
My impression is that most conservatives adopt the label before they know what it means. I think it has more to do with cultivating their sense of identity, than trying to elicit desirable outcomes.
No, that means I'm not bothered or butthurt by the image of jackbooted facists being associated with conservativism.
Coming from the left I take it as a compliment.
If you make the decision that you're only going to govern on behalf of the mega rich, then there is going to be mass resistance. That resistance usually gets met with violence or police state provisions.
Read again what I said. I even bolded the key words to make it easier this time. Also, note the smiley at the end.
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I don't really fit any of those labels. I am socially liberal, economically conservative (in terms of decades, not months), I favor hefty safety regulations (including consumer safety regs), and I have a fairly strict long-term utilitarian viewpoint on most issues.
I favor reducing the legislation negatively impacting small business, but increased regulation (on a sliding scale) on large businesses that can potentially do serious long term damage to the economy.
I believe that the federal government should be in the business of providing a federal framework (specifically minimum standards) and allowing state to figure out how to best meet those minimums for their given geographic and demographic make-up.
I am fully in favor of across the board equal opportunity, but not equal reward for those who work hard and those who just kill time until the work day is over. I basically support measures that aim to give as many people the same opportunity to succeed, despite what demographic they come from.
I am in favor of globalization in business, as a stronger world economy leads to a stronger domestic economy in the long run. In addition, improving economic ties to the rest of the world may cost more in the short-term, but would reduce our threats from outside of our borders as more nations become economically dependant on the US. Large scale wars of the future will conducted by banker and economists, as money has become the key to superiority.
Then there are my idealistic political beliefs that I know will not come to pass in any forseeable future. Like a structural reformation of the federal government (specifically, I think the Senate should be limited to a single term, and that the House to 2 2-year terms). This would reduce much of the ridiculous party line garbage that serves no purpose other than egotistical grandstanding in preparation for the next election cycle.
I would also like to see a consolidation (not elimination) of many government agencies which have overlapping infrastructue and responsibilities.
I would also love to see a bill passed requiring every single piece of federal legislation to be reviewed (and revised/eliminated) at least once every 10 years by a bi-partisan committee with experts from the fields affected heavily involved. Many of the laws on the books were written to address the specific culture and economy of the time they were written, and there is much that is outdated.
I'd like see comprehensive bills passed consolidating all related federal regulations that are currently spread out among many different portions of the CFR, in an effort to streamline their effectiveness and clarity.
I would like to see massive legislation encouraging and supporting large scale immigration. Another case of short term losses and long term gains. Every generation has had its waves of immigrants, and every wave has contributed to the long term development of this country economically and socially.
But at the same time, I am not in favor of automatic citizenship (or any type of amnesty program - breaking the law is breaking the law, justified or not). I think that citizenship should have to be earned by everyone, including those born here. I'd like to see a public service requirement as well as demonstrating a basic understanding of how the government works and a decent knowledge of federal law.
I guess overall, I am slightly libertarian leaning (actual libertarian, not the Republican hi-jacked version), but I am fairly far away from the ideology on some issues.
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None. I don't identify with any political system that will ever exist.
When I look at oligarchies, communism, democracy, all of it.
All I see is a bunch of old men bickering about something that for two friends of differing beliefs would consider fun to talk about.
An emperor or king loved by his people I will also love when in said country out of respect and desire to be a part of that community. but when old men bicker about meaningless babble,
it sickens me. Nothing but pointless nonsense hiding personal agendas.
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Proud neoconservative. Mostly traditional WASP values and many cultural aspects of the former WASP vanguard, Liberal markets and free enterprise, and a strong, active foreign policy abroad.
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Hmmm... There is quite a bit of disagreement over who really meets those concerns. A libertarian would certainly argue that he/she wants to defend everyone's liberties using libertarian policies.
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Fascists of the theoretical variety are more tolerable than conservatives - at least Fascists acknowledge the need for radical change
It's rhetoric like that which makes the squares repudiate your position on everything .
My impression is that most conservatives adopt the label before they know what it means. I think it has more to do with cultivating their sense of identity, than trying to elicit desirable outcomes.
Or they adopt the label because conservatism is actually what they want. Conservatism doesn't elicit a desirable outcome? We seem to draw so many foregone conclusions about the stances of others and think to ourselves "well this is the only way they can subscribe to something that doesn't actually work". Well guess what, they do think it works and they have quite a few arguments to back it up. Right or wrong, people aren't irrational simply for taking a certain stance.
If I wanted to be snide I could remark that most leftists like yourself (hahahaha, who even knows if you're a leftist, I certainly don't) always act as if conservatives aren't really concerned with the outcome when you guys have demonstrably messed up the outcome more. But I have no fair grounds to say that and I'm sure leftists have all kinds of rational ideas of how society could function just fine.
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Fascists of the theoretical variety are more tolerable than conservatives - at least Fascists acknowledge the need for radical change
My impression is that most conservatives adopt the label before they know what it means. I think it has more to do with cultivating their sense of identity, than trying to elicit desirable outcomes.
No, that means I'm not bothered or butthurt by the image of jackbooted facists being associated with conservativism.
Coming from the left I take it as a compliment.
If you make the decision that you're only going to govern on behalf of the mega rich, then there is going to be mass resistance. That resistance usually gets suppressed with violence or police state provisions.
This is a gross straw man of the conservative position. Conservatives feel that conservative policy ultimately benefits everyone, not just the rich. Claiming what you claim over and over ad nauseum just succeeds in nauseating everyone, not making an actual point. Conservatism and fascism are in many ways irrespective of each other and conflating the two is not only unfair but very ignorant.
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Fascists of the theoretical variety are more tolerable than conservatives - at least Fascists acknowledge the need for radical change
My impression is that most conservatives adopt the label before they know what it means. I think it has more to do with cultivating their sense of identity, than trying to elicit desirable outcomes.
No, that means I'm not bothered or butthurt by the image of jackbooted fascists being associated with conservativism.
Coming from the left I take it as a compliment.
If you make the decision that you're only going to govern on behalf of the mega rich, then there is going to be mass resistance. That resistance usually gets suppressed with violence or police state provisions.
This is a gross straw man of the conservative position. Conservatives feel that conservative policy ultimately benefits everyone, not just the rich. Claiming what you claim over and over ad nauseum just succeeds in nauseating everyone, not making an actual point. Conservatism and fascism are in many ways irrespective of each other and conflating the two is not only unfair but very ignorant.
Stannis just doesn't get it. Liberals accuse conservatives of being fascists or nazis and conservatives accuse liberals of being communists. An intended insult from the opposition should always be taken as a compliment.
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