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DevilKisses
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21 Sep 2014, 1:06 am

Do you know what it's called? I have no idea what it's called. I usually call them extreme NTs or super NTs. That doesn't seem to make a lot of sense to people here. I just want a word for it because I definitely encounter people like this.


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21 Sep 2014, 1:08 am

Can you describe it?



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21 Sep 2014, 1:21 am

You know those people hyper social people who enjoy smalltalk more than the average person. They also have exellent executive functioning. That means that they usually have very clean houses. Their executive fuctioning is so good that they think everyone else is lazy.

They tend to be soccer moms if they have kids. They tend to be very diplomatic and indirect. If they're nice people they can be very helpful, but if they are not they can be very manipulative. They are the type of person that would say you're haircut looks awesome when it actually looks awful. A regular person might say nothing or say it looks ok or good.

I know this is a generalization, but I could say the same about autism. This is the type of people that people on WP are talking about when they complain about NTs.


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21 Sep 2014, 1:24 am

I was guessing more along the lines of snottiness, but I could be wrong. Kind of like the snotty girls who brushed me off in high school.


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21 Sep 2014, 1:38 am

CockneyRebel wrote:
I was guessing more along the lines of snottiness, but I could be wrong. Kind of like the snotty girls who brushed me off in high school.

I don't think this is just a personality trait. I think it's a different neurology. They don't understand aspies and aspies don't understand them.


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21 Sep 2014, 1:41 am

Highly effective people? Freaks, if you ask me.


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21 Sep 2014, 1:54 am

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Highly effective people? Freaks, if you ask me.

Freaks indeed. That condition is a spectrum as well. If the traits are mild they usually just blend into most social groups. If their traits are extreme enough regular NTs will start to think they are creepy, fake and annoying as well.


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21 Sep 2014, 2:12 am

I think my sister is something like that, she's just 13 But she's always at parties and sleepovers or at the mall! She's almost never home bc she has to hang out with her friends or she gets really grumpy! But that's pretty much all she cares about, horses and being with her friends, she doesn't care much for popularity though, and she can be very manipulating and she doesn't understand me at all and when I hit her she never hit me back she's very good with words!



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21 Sep 2014, 8:11 am

DevilKisses wrote:
Do you know what it's called? I have no idea what it's called. I usually call them extreme NTs or super NTs. That doesn't seem to make a lot of sense to people here. I just want a word for it because I definitely encounter people like this.


The opposite of someone who has autism is someone who is highly organized, has no chaos is his or her life and has a large social network of friends. This person is able to successfully juggle multiple responsibilities, handle a job, maintain friendships, undertake a wide variety of activities and run a family all at the same time with seemingly great ease.

They are a rare breed, mind you, as most people whether they are NT or AS have some form of difficulty with certain things. A lot of people who seem outwardly "perfect" or almost saint-like are, in reality, far from perfect. Some cry in public, some behind closed doors. But most of us cry, either inside our souls or outwardly. We all have pain, we all have sorrow and we all have hardship.



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21 Sep 2014, 8:30 am

Socialism... oh wait, that's something else. :)


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21 Sep 2014, 8:47 am

There is a neurological condition that is sometimes refered to as "the opposite of autism". Its called "Williams Syndrome". Like autism it appears in childhood. It causes you to compulsively socialize. You can't keep to yourself, and you're compelled to interact with others in the room- in contrast to autistics who are known for being withdrawn, and "into themselves".

But I don't think that that's what your're looking for as an "opposite of autism".

People who keep up appearances,and do everything seemingly perfectly?

If they happened to be female then they might be called "Stepford WIves" (after the novel and the movie of that name). Have no idea what you would call the male equivalent of Stepford wife.



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21 Sep 2014, 9:44 am

DevilKisses wrote:
CockneyRebel wrote:
I was guessing more along the lines of snottiness, but I could be wrong. Kind of like the snotty girls who brushed me off in high school.

I don't think this is just a personality trait. I think it's a different neurology. They don't understand aspies and aspies don't understand them.


I apologize for that comment. I have unwelcome memories about school around this time of the year.


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21 Sep 2014, 1:16 pm

The clinical polar opposite of autism is considered Williams-Beuren Syndrome (Williams Syndrome), a development disorder. Apologies for this non-academic link, but here's a quick look: http://ghr.nlm.nih.gov/condition/williams-syndrome

Anyhow, apart from the other physical conditions those with Williams Syndrome suffer from, they are characterised by having "cocktail party personalities" and are highly socially orientated and personable. Hence why they are clinically regarded as the opposite of autism. Just to add, a physical characteristic of William Syndrome individuals are small "elfin" eyes. From my (unofficial!) experience, so many of autistic/AS individuals conversely have big beautifully deep eyes.


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21 Sep 2014, 1:22 pm

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The clinical polar opposite of autism is considered Williams-Beuren Syndrome (Williams Syndrome), a development disorder. Apologies for this non-academic link, but here's a quick look: http://ghr.nlm.nih.gov/condition/williams-syndrome

Anyhow, apart from the other physical conditions those with Williams Syndrome suffer from, they are characterised by having "cocktail party personalities" and are highly socially orientated and personable. Hence why they are clinically regarded as the opposite of autism. Just to add, a physical characteristic of William Syndrome individuals are small "elfin" eyes. From my (unofficial!) experience, so many of autistic/AS individuals conversely have big beautifully deep eyes.
I've met somebody with Williams' syndrome and something she had in common with ASD was repetitive behaviours (she was stimming very noticeably). Also, they have good rote memories much like in ASD, so I wouldn't say they're the complete opposite, but that's probably as close as possible to being opposite a disorder can get.


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21 Sep 2014, 1:28 pm

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There is a neurological condition that is sometimes refered to as "the opposite of autism". Its called "Williams Syndrome". Like autism it appears in childhood. It causes you to compulsively socialize. You can't keep to yourself, and you're compelled to interact with others in the room- in contrast to autistics who are known for being withdrawn, and "into themselves".

But I don't think that that's what your're looking for as an "opposite of autism".

People who keep up appearances,and do everything seemingly perfectly?

If they happened to be female then they might be called "Stepford WIves" (after the novel and the movie of that name). Have no idea what you would call the male equivalent of Stepford wife.

I'm not talking about William's syndrome. I haven't done much research on William's syndrome, but I think people with William's syndrome still have some social problems.
I'm talking more about the "Stepford Wives". I meet plenty of girls like that. They can be good people, but I don't really get along with them. They don't understand me and I don't understand them. It doesn't seem to be that common in guys. The male version is probably a politician or a salesman.


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21 Sep 2014, 1:33 pm

MathGirl wrote:
LabPet wrote:
The clinical polar opposite of autism is considered Williams-Beuren Syndrome (Williams Syndrome), a development disorder. Apologies for this non-academic link, but here's a quick look: http://ghr.nlm.nih.gov/condition/williams-syndrome

Anyhow, apart from the other physical conditions those with Williams Syndrome suffer from, they are characterised by having "cocktail party personalities" and are highly socially orientated and personable. Hence why they are clinically regarded as the opposite of autism. Just to add, a physical characteristic of William Syndrome individuals are small "elfin" eyes. From my (unofficial!) experience, so many of autistic/AS individuals conversely have big beautifully deep eyes.
I've met somebody with Williams' syndrome and something she had in common with ASD was repetitive behaviours (she was stimming very noticeably). Also, they have good rote memories much like in ASD, so I wouldn't say they're the complete opposite, but that's probably as close as possible to being opposite a disorder can get.


Yeah, I know what you mean - comparisons are so inconclusive. Strictly from a biomedical point of view however, Williams Syndrome is regarded as the opposite.....for whatever that's worth! (At least according to certain 'experts', but then again, I guess I am an 'expert' too, so I don't know how meaningful such a comparison is).

Of course, those popular cheerleader-type socially political neurotypicals are our behavioural opposite.....and I totally agree with CockneyRebel et al. 8)


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