Is depression more common among aspies?

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sly279
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25 Oct 2014, 11:19 pm

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DINK stands for dual income, no kids.

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Yes but if you were a DINK you could pay off your debt and/or morgadte more easily due to shared living expenses.

Actually I know a few welfare DINKs who have their payment reduced to about 60% due to their shared living expenses.

its confusing system i think it only implies to marriage. cause they could just be two roommates living together. I live with my mom and neither of ours are decreased. though maybe its people they consider couples. which seems unfair cause doesn't seem different then me living with a friend also on ssi. anyways I've never met a woman under 40 who's on ssi/ssdi/welfare. I think they are rare. certainly see there's some here but they all live in other states.

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In some areas women have kids after 40 so they can focus on their careers. Also who says you both have to be the same age? There are lots of couples with age discrepancy, you could be 40 and she could be 28, meaning better odds that she doesn't already have kids.

I mean, I get frustrated too when I go on dating sites and see young women with kids (why do they have to start so young)? I'd like to find a childless woman too, hopefully one willing to stay that way (in my case).


eww. also women aren't attracted to me now when i'm the same age so they definitely won't be when i'm 20 years older the them.
its a trend now lots of kids have kids in middle-highschool.

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But think of how happy you could be as a DINK?.. or maybe that's just me.

Anyway you think you have it hard trying to find a woman who doesn't already have kids? Imagine how much harder it is to find a woman who doesn't have kids and doesn't ever want to have them? That's about 1% of women. Most of the women 25+ looking for a long term relationship are doing so specifically so they can have kids. A lot of the ones who don't want kids also don't want a guy, or the ones who give up motherhood for their career are career women who expect likewise from their partner and I don't yet have a career.

Come to think of it, maybe you're the right age to find a 25+ year old woman who doesn't yet kids. I mean, for the ones who don't finding a guy to have kids with is often a part of the female version of the quarter life crisis. They grow out of their phase of liking bad boys and due to their age they become desperate to find a stable guy who also wants kids and also doesn't yet have them. Trust me I've seen a 35 year old woman almost in tears because she didn't yet have kids. I couldn't work out what the big deal was but I guess not everyone is like me (one of life's most oft repeated lessons).



i don't think i'd be contempt not ever having kids, sure i'd have good times but it'd always be there eating at me. i'd have to watch all our friends have kids and all the amazing things that come with raising kids.

think it's more then 1% there's a few women who didn't want kids but accidentally have them. but yeah it'll get harder the old you get to find ones with none. 1% of 300 million is still a lot . theres a bit of women who want guys but don't want kids and those who want kids but not guys.

they want the perfect guy to have kids with which is how they end up upset at 35. if they wanted to just have kids they could f**k any guy til pregnant. its the wanting a "stable guy" that holds them back. I have a hard time feeling sorry for them , which i guess is kinda cold hearted, but I use to think I could make a woman very happy, be supportive and a good dad. I just lack the high paying job that women want in a "stable guy" seems they all want that upper middle class lifestyle. sadly the middle class is dying out so expecting that from an decreasing middle class size and increasing below middle class is unrealistic, but they hold out for it anyways. mean while the lower class people who match up have 1-5 kids and manage fine, sure no fancy family vacations to disneyland but ohwell.

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Yeah but Star Trek has had many writers. Remember how he was in Encounter at Farpoint? That was written a lot earlier than Generations.


didn't know that. but his character changes then, unless one chooses to pretend later seasons don't exist.



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26 Oct 2014, 12:31 am

sly279 wrote:
its confusing system i think it only implies to marriage. cause they could just be two roommates living together. I live with my mom and neither of ours are decreased. though maybe its people they consider couples. which seems unfair cause doesn't seem different then me living with a friend also on ssi. anyways I've never met a woman under 40 who's on ssi/ssdi/welfare. I think they are rare. certainly see there's some here but they all live in other states.

Down here it includes "de facto" couples and "common-law marriage". In other words it includes any couple that lives under the same roof.

As when I was living with Mum, no reduction in payment except that I wasn't getting rent relief. Actually the Australian welfaire system is kind of complicated and inconstant. I know double welfare couples who combined get less than I do.

As for women under 40 who are on welfare, I know several. The thing about living in a poor neighbhorhood is that at least everyone else here is poor too. I don't have to get income envy unless I travel out of my suburb.

However, I don't know any single women on welfare. Come to think of it, I don't know any single women at all. That makes it hard. Since both sexes exist in equal numbers there should be someone for everyone but it seems like all the girls are taken.
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eww. also women aren't attracted to me now when i'm the same age so they definitely won't be when i'm 20 years older the them.

I was thinking more like 5 years older. Remember girls don't think the same way guys do. They don't mind having a partner slightly older than them. Maybe it's cultural, maybe it's physical or maybe it's because girls mature faster than boys so girls need to compensate.
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its a trend now lots of kids have kids in middle-highschool.

But not for all of them, any girl smart enough to have a career is smart enough to have heard of contraceptives. That's what I don't get about unplanned parenthood, how can they not be able to use something so simple as contraceptives?
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i'd have to watch all our friends have kids and all the amazing things that come with raising kids.

Yes and their kids will call you Uncle. You don't need to have nieces or nephews to be an uncle. Would be content to take on the avuncular role?
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1% of 300 million is still a lot . theres a bit of women who want guys but don't want kids and those who want kids but not guys.

More like 22 million in my case :)
But I think neither one of us wants to leave our towns. Not me anyway, all my friends live here and it would take me ages to get a new set of friends.
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they want the perfect guy to have kids with

No man is perfect but if they want a guy to have kids with then they find you have one less flaw than I do. At least you're actually willing to have kids with them. That gives you a bigger pool of potential partners.
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sadly the middle class is dying

That's the best thing that could happen to you. If the middle class dies women won't restrict themselves to only dating a demographic that no longer exists. If women want the best man they can find and the middle class man doesn't exist than someone else then the best man they can find won't be middle class. If the middle class is reduced to a small fraction of the population then will 100 million women try to go after 1 million men? No. The other 99 million women will go after the other 99 million men.

If the middle class disappears that would equalize you. You'll then be in the same class as everyone else. No worse than anyone else. You could be poor either way but you've got better odds if everyone else is poor.
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mean while the lower class people who match up have 1-5 kids and manage fine, sure no fancy family vacations to disneyland but ohwell.

That proves that you need not be middle class to have kids.
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Yeah but Star Trek has had many writers. Remember how he was in Encounter at Farpoint? That was written a lot earlier than Generations.

didn't know that. but his character changes then, unless one chooses to pretend later seasons don't exist.

A bit of both. Star Trek writers often pretend earlier seasons don't exist. Some of them hadn't watched the earlier seasons. Some of the disinterested writers just saw it as another potboiler until they could get their movie script filmed.

On the other hand I think it could've been genuine character development for Picard, how he went from hating Wesley (15 in season 1 but like many child actors he was cast because he looked about 3 years younger than he was)... he went from hating Wesley to liking him while at the same time the viewers started hating him more and more. Picard also had some character development where he learns to tolerate the other kids on board (after Wil Wheaton started looking to old to fill that role).

Maybe Picard's dislike of children stemmed from his jealousy that he had none... but they sure didn't make it look that way in Generations.



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26 Oct 2014, 1:16 am

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sly279 wrote:
its confusing system i think it only implies to marriage. cause they could just be two roommates living together. I live with my mom and neither of ours are decreased. though maybe its people they consider couples. which seems unfair cause doesn't seem different then me living with a friend also on ssi. anyways I've never met a woman under 40 who's on ssi/ssdi/welfare. I think they are rare. certainly see there's some here but they all live in other states.

Down here it includes "de facto" couples and "common-law marriage". In other words it includes any couple that lives under the same roof.

As when I was living with Mum, no reduction in payment except that I wasn't getting rent relief. Actually the Australian welfaire system is kind of complicated and inconstant. I know double welfare couples who combined get less than I do.

As for women under 40 who are on welfare, I know several. The thing about living in a poor neighbhorhood is that at least everyone else here is poor too. I don't have to get income envy unless I travel out of my suburb.

However, I don't know any single women on welfare. Come to think of it, I don't know any single women at all. That makes it hard. Since both sexes exist in equal numbers there should be someone for everyone but it seems like all the girls are taken.
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eww. also women aren't attracted to me now when i'm the same age so they definitely won't be when i'm 20 years older the them.

I was thinking more like 5 years older. Remember girls don't think the same way guys do. They don't mind having a partner slightly older than them. Maybe it's cultural, maybe it's physical or maybe it's because girls mature faster than boys so girls need to compensate.
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its a trend now lots of kids have kids in middle-highschool.

But not for all of them, any girl smart enough to have a career is smart enough to have heard of contraceptives. That's what I don't get about unplanned parenthood, how can they not be able to use something so simple as contraceptives?
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i'd have to watch all our friends have kids and all the amazing things that come with raising kids.

Yes and their kids will call you Uncle. You don't need to have nieces or nephews to be an uncle. Would be content to take on the avuncular role?
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1% of 300 million is still a lot . theres a bit of women who want guys but don't want kids and those who want kids but not guys.

More like 22 million in my case :)
But I think neither one of us wants to leave our towns. Not me anyway, all my friends live here and it would take me ages to get a new set of friends.
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they want the perfect guy to have kids with

No man is perfect but if they want a guy to have kids with then they find you have one less flaw than I do. At least you're actually willing to have kids with them. That gives you a bigger pool of potential partners.
sly279 wrote:
sadly the middle class is dying

That's the best thing that could happen to you. If the middle class dies women won't restrict themselves to only dating a demographic that no longer exists. If women want the best man they can find and the middle class man doesn't exist than someone else then the best man they can find won't be middle class. If the middle class is reduced to a small fraction of the population then will 100 million women try to go after 1 million men? No. The other 99 million women will go after the other 99 million men.

If the middle class disappears that would equalize you. You'll then be in the same class as everyone else. No worse than anyone else. You could be poor either way but you've got better odds if everyone else is poor.
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mean while the lower class people who match up have 1-5 kids and manage fine, sure no fancy family vacations to disneyland but ohwell.

That proves that you need not be middle class to have kids.

Also, remember when you said;
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I don't come from a rich or middle class family, yet my mom raised me and my two siblings, my grand parents raised their 4 kids.
my poor friend is raising his 5 kids, and another one of my friends has 3 kids. you don't have to be middle class to have a family. millions of people do without it and have kids.

So you needn't think you need to join the middle class to become a father.
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Yeah but Star Trek has had many writers. Remember how he was in Encounter at Farpoint? That was written a lot earlier than Generations.

didn't know that. but his character changes then, unless one chooses to pretend later seasons don't exist.

A bit of both. Star Trek writers often pretend earlier seasons don't exist. Some of them hadn't watched the earlier seasons. Some of the disinterested writers just saw it as another potboiler until they could get their movie script filmed.

On the other hand I think it could've been genuine character development for Picard, how he went from hating Wesley (15 in season 1 but like many child actors he was cast because he looked about 3 years younger than he was)... he went from hating Wesley to liking him while at the same time the viewers started hating him more and more. Picard also had some character development where he learns to tolerate the other kids on board (after Wil Wheaton started looking to old to fill that role).

Maybe Picard's dislike of children stemmed from his jealousy that he had none... but they sure didn't make it look that way in Generations.



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26 Oct 2014, 12:27 pm

F***ing depression, I know its one of the major reasons I have thoughts of suicide whenever I feel I've screwed up or pissed people off. Luckily these thoughts are not always serious and wear off and are kind of fleeting. Though I've certainly had serious suicidal feelings to that went on long enough I acted on it....but yeah really annoys me when the thought 'I should just kill myself' pops in my head any time I mess something up or screw up somehow, its not like I want to think that let alone actually let it slip out in front of someone.


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27 Oct 2014, 2:18 am

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Down here it includes "de facto" couples and "common-law marriage". In other words it includes any couple that lives under the same roof.

As when I was living with Mum, no reduction in payment except that I wasn't getting rent relief. Actually the Australian welfaire system is kind of complicated and inconstant. I know double welfare couples who combined get less than I do.

As for women under 40 who are on welfare, I know several. The thing about living in a poor neighbhorhood is that at least everyone else here is poor too. I don't have to get income envy unless I travel out of my suburb.

However, I don't know any single women on welfare. Come to think of it, I don't know any single women at all. That makes it hard. Since both sexes exist in equal numbers there should be someone for everyone but it seems like all the girls are taken.


ah. bummer.
all government systems are complicated and inconstant, that's bureaucracy.
at least in Oregon we don't have such clear income lined living areas, not like in other states where you have the getto area or poor areas. everyone is intermixed except for the hills and gated communities. my neibhor is pro homless peope but anti welfare its a bit confusing. my uncle is liberal but upper middle class so anti welfare. I think it has way more to do with income level then politics.
most on welfare have kids, it's why they are on it. we only have 9million people on disbility welfare here, for 300 million over the whole usa. so i feel the odds of finding one in that that 3% is going be quite hard here, and reduce that by elminating ones out of age range, have kids, and not single and you start to see the problem of limiting self to just others in the same situation. though yours is different.

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I was thinking more like 5 years older. Remember girls don't think the same way guys do. They don't mind having a partner slightly older than them. Maybe it's cultural, maybe it's physical or maybe it's because girls mature faster than boys so girls need to compensate.


I would prefer an equal age or few years older as women live longer.

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But not for all of them, any girl smart enough to have a career is smart enough to have heard of contraceptives. That's what I don't get about unplanned parenthood, how can they not be able to use something so simple as contraceptives?


those aren't 100% effective and they could have made mistakes when drunk or earlier in their life anyways I wasn't directly talking about only career girls. also some people are just 1. lazy 2. its better without 3. too poor. our gov here will pay for abortions(cost in the hundreds to thousands) but won't pay for condoms that cost $6 for 12.

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Yes and their kids will call you Uncle. You don't need to have nieces or nephews to be an uncle. Would be content to take on the avuncular role?


I don't think I could connect to other people's kids. as many parents say, its different when it's your kid.
whats avuncular role?

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More like 22 million in my case :)
But I think neither one of us wants to leave our towns. Not me anyway, all my friends live here and it would take me ages to get a new set of friends.


idk If i could afford it and keep all my gun rights and own a fox I would probably be ok with moving but have anxiety. I don't have many friends. and seem to lose more of them each year

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No man is perfect but if they want a guy to have kids with then they find you have one less flaw than I do. At least you're actually willing to have kids with them. That gives you a bigger pool of potential partners.


maybe but doesn't seem helpful to me as i'm not good looking aka not good genes.

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That's the best thing that could happen to you. If the middle class dies women won't restrict themselves to only dating a demographic that no longer exists. If women want the best man they can find and the middle class man doesn't exist than someone else then the best man they can find won't be middle class. If the middle class is reduced to a small fraction of the population then will 100 million women try to go after 1 million men? No. The other 99 million women will go after the other 99 million men.

If the middle class disappears that would equalize you. You'll then be in the same class as everyone else. No worse than anyone else. You could be poor either way but you've got better odds if everyone else is poor.


It won't die until after I am long gone even still they probably still spend time going after the few good ones competing til its too late. I don't want to be someones last choice or better then nothing bf.



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27 Oct 2014, 4:39 am

sly279 wrote:
my neibhor is pro homless peope but anti welfare its a bit confusing.

Really? But how do they buy food without welfare payments?
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we only have 9million people on disbility welfare here, for 300 million over the whole usa. so i feel the odds of finding one in that that 3% is going be quite hard here, and reduce that by elminating ones out of age range, have kids, and not single and you start to see the problem of limiting self to just others in the same situation.

OK, so you have 3% of women on SSI, now add to that the percentage of women not on SSI who don't hate guys who are on SSI.
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our gov here will pay for abortions(cost in the hundreds to thousands) but won't pay for condoms that cost $6 for 12.

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whats avuncular role?

The role of uncle.
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I would probably be ok with moving but have anxiety.

Yeah, I could visit another country but not live in one.
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even still they probably still spend time going after the few good ones competing til its too late..

Their loss, most will end up alone if they only go after the middle class minority.



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27 Oct 2014, 11:01 pm

3% of the total population is on ssi/ssdi, not 3% of women. so maybe half that 3% are women etc
most women won't even talk to a guy on ssi.
generally people on the system like me and sweetleaf get it, we understand the struggles and need of it, anyone who hasn't been on it never will and tend to see it as wasteful, stealing, or as bad.



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27 Oct 2014, 11:14 pm

sly279 wrote:
3% of the total population is on ssi/ssdi, not 3% of women. so maybe half that 3% are women, etc

I didn't say 3% of the population of America are SSI women, I said 3% of American women are on SSI, assuming equal numbers of men and women are on SSI.
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generally people on the system like me and sweetleaf get it, we understand the struggles and need of it, anyone who hasn't been on it never will and tend to see it as wasteful, stealing, or as bad.

Some days I manage to stigmatize myself for being on welfare. I don't hate anyone else on it but I judge myself by harsher standards than other people. I see myself through other people's eyes and when I don't know how they see me I assume the worst and see myself through their negative outlook that I probably imagined anyway. I guess that's not entirely rational. My shrink calls them "negative thoughts". I know negative thoughts aren't always accurate or rational but that doesn't mean I can just turn them off like a light switch.