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31 Oct 2014, 5:58 pm

Raptor wrote:
Self made means they worked to earn what they got instead of having it given to them.
It's not rocket science.


That's, I believe, why Max (Lionel Stander) said, at the top of Hart to Hart, "This is my boss: Jonathan Hart, a self-made millionaire. He's quite a guy."



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31 Oct 2014, 8:24 pm

Fnord wrote:
No worries.

I didn't mean to seem insensitive; but while it is true that most people can make their own destinies, there is a subset of the population for whom willingness far exceeds ability - they want to work, but are simply unable.

So, yes, for those people, there is the welfare state - a catch-all category for people living on government hand-outs without any hope of ever becoming productive and useful citizens.

They have my sympathy.


Thanks for the clarification, although it doesn't always come through in my communication in written text either, I know you are not a cold hearted person. :)

And yes I agree those are just part of the facts of life of being human, that society provides for.


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04 Nov 2014, 8:05 pm

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Unrestricted free trade and dictatorships are just as bad as each other. When you have no regulations on trade, those with the most spending power trample roughshod over those without. The best solution is somewhere in between.


No compromise is possible between opposite principles.

Suppose I have a dozen eggs (because I raise chickens) and you want them (because you're hungry). You can either offer some good or service which I want, and am willing to pay a dozen eggs for, or you can hold a gun to my head and take the eggs by force. There is no "in between". If you merely threaten to break my leg, and take only six eggs, you are still the initiator of force and I am still the victim.


Or you can give the hungry person an egg out of human kindness.

QFT! obviously the poster would have nothing aginst letting the eggless person just starve, just as he wouldn't be bothered to let the bereft of fundage to suffer and die of treatable illness. just like that political thing with r. paul where it was asked should those without access to affordable healthcare be left to die, and members of the conservative audience shouted "YEAH!! !" the worst thing is, these people are even passing laws that make charity illegal! many cities have passed laws banning the feeding of the homeless. why don't they just fire up the ovens while they're at it? if swift were alive today....



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04 Nov 2014, 8:06 pm

luanqibazao wrote:
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Or you can give the hungry person an egg out of human kindness.


I can, and I might at that. But if I give all my eggs away, I won't be able to feed the chicken and pretty soon we all starve.

NOBODY is asking you anything of the sort. you know this.



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04 Nov 2014, 8:07 pm

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Seems to be plenty of conservative envy and bitterness...to go around as well.

but dare not speak of such in front of them.



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04 Nov 2014, 8:12 pm

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There are not a lot of people that earned everything they have, lots of people are born into better economic situations than others and thus have more opportunities to move up or whatever. I personally would not hate someone for their success if they earned it and what not, that would be kind of pointless....however it does not seem like the majority of upper class people necessarily got where they where through honest hard work and earning their own way without any outside assistance. A lot of them where essentially handed what they have....However it seems there is plenty of seething hate towards lower class people and an attitude of 'lets not waste resources on those degenerates' so of course there is going to be some anger towards the people promoting that sort of attitude whilst enjoying their extravagant lifestyle they probably did not work their way up to from the bottom.

careful, you can't speak that truth in front of those people.



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04 Nov 2014, 8:14 pm

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I'd agree that people who are successful work hard. But I don't agree that all people who work hard are successful. There are plenty of people who work two jobs and just have enough to pay the rent.

why does the right wing look down their noses at such people? why do they try to turn the screws even harder on them?



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04 Nov 2014, 8:16 pm

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True, there are self made men. Lone wolves if you will. However, we are a herd animal and lone wolves die.
Most so called "self made men" rely on the value that beta males create. They use their position (mostly inherented) to take. The richest people in the world simply bet on other's productivity and create nothing of value.
I find it humerous (and masochistic ) that some here applaud those that rip them off.

yes, I see them as what lenin called "useful idiots" or tools reminiscent of that pooch in the far side cartoon, a dog in his master's car for a ride, and he sticks his head out the window and yells triumphantly at his buddy pooch on the sidewalk, "I'M gonna go to the vets to get tutored."