Debunking the 'self made man' myth

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Remind me whether it is the left or the right advocating for globalisation, removal of trade barriers, and increased foreign aid?

Did you get a description of the alleged thieves? What kind of vehicle were they driving? Did they threaten you with a weapon?


Ahh ... conspiracy theory #37 ... I used it in my last book. MY job wasn't destroyed; then again, neither was my university degree.


As if "The Poor" never dropped out of school before they could learn any marketable skills, thus denying themselves of the opportunities that would qualify them for the jobs that were "destroyed" from under them.

Justice is that you get what you earn, whether it is a life sentence or a living wage.

Not all poor people are uneducated. I have a Bachelor's Degree and am poor. There can be other reasons for poverty.

Definately.

What is your degree in? Mine's an MSEE.

Integrated Studies - mostly philosophy and classics. Nothing useful for working, but that was my choice.
Master's of Engineering?

I graduated high school, and attempted college but dropped out due to mental issues interfering with my ability to complete school work and focus/concentrate in class. That and it really started looking like anything I'd want to pursue would be useless for actually increasing chances of employment....college seems more about social connections and what not more than getting an education to get a degree that you can then actually put back to use to pay back loans. Hopefully I won't need SSI forever but yeah considering I was going part time when I couldn't handle it I certainly am in no position to work....if I can improve my functioning I don't plan on wasting it trying to go back to college to get more debt.

That said the trouble is a lot of the poor are college graduates, however there are not enough jobs available in fields they studied...and a lot of entry level jobs will turn them down for being 'over-qualified', lots of people around my age are facing that I think not sure if that is your exact situation sounds sort of like it though. I feel like most people who started college around the time I did where quite mislead and now stuck with a sh*t ton of debt.

Nobody earns there intelligence. That's a matter of winning the genetic lottery. Hard work is a factor of success. Intelligence is a factor of success. You only have control over some things.

I'd say that half of what people get is what they earn. The other half is just survival of the fittest. Getting what you earn is justice. Survival of the fittest isn't. It's just the way the world works.

Nobody earns everything that they have but nothing is 100% unearned either.

I think people are over-educated these days. Higher and higher degrees are becoming necessary to find employment ... sometimes I think the schools and employers are in on it together.

The rich caused the recession and the transfer of wealth from us (the middle class and poor) to them. I call that theft.

And perhaps the greatest pitfall of this is that culture demands more specialization in skills to make the machine of culture run.

Often one spends what SEEMS A lifetime in college in A highly specialized field of training and never gets to use it in the real world, and truly while my actual college education per three degrees was little contribution to the living I earned, most importantly, I had a diverse background in many fields of study, to make the most important contribution to life, in simply being a balanced human being, understanding that art and science are both required for happiness in life.

And to truly sing life true, it's extremely hard to do, without a balance of art and science in both mind and spirit of living life.

These are not the things, that school normally teaches, but one who seeks can most definitely still find balanced truth in life, even now if they never go to college, it's all ON the Internet, for those who do not give up on finding truth in their life, for the best REAL LIFE POSSIBLE, IN EVERYDAY LIFE.

So in spite of you knowing for a fact that that claim didn't stick to Raptor, because he already explained himself, you would like to proceed with your idea and say that "conservatives" do this? Repeating claims ad nauseum doesn't establish them, I think we've got it, you've said this a number of times already on WP. Why not come up with something fresh and relevant? You're not debating with straw men, you're debating with raptors and gun toting libertarians, hahahaha.

"Master of Science - Electrical Engineering"

I thought at first to take English Lit or History of Whatever, but an informal survey of graduates in these fields led me to make the effort and earn a STEM degree.

Science
Technology
Engineering
Maths

The only time I was homeless was after a "Perfect Storm" of medical issues, layoffs and a divorce.

The only time I was unemployed since then was after a "Downsizing" by a company that went bankrupt 6 months later for lack of ...



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... a sufficiently-skilled engineering staff!

They tried to hire me back on a "deferred" salary increase, but I already had another job that paid about 8% more than what they were offering. I did manage to score some of their research and test equipment at the auction, but that's the last time I ever dealt with them.

Anyway, the current demand is for STEM and medical graduates, with veteran status being a plus.

Kraichgauer believes that since he is as blindly partisan as he is that all people are equally as blindly partizan.
I don't know how many times Ive said that I have no issue with a social safety net as long as they don't use it as a hammock.
It's obviously the ones that use (i.e. abuse) it as a hammock that are the ones that have a beef with me using that term....

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I think your error is in assuming that people's pursuits of power, status, and wealth are somehow artifacts of "the system" and not ingrained traits of humanity; unless you're proposing brainwashing on a massive scale or some sort of creepy selective breeding program, I don't think those impulses can be wished away by a new system. Marx tried, and look how well that turned out.

If they are ingrained traits of humanity, then why are there humans who reject those things, and a system based on the pursuit of them? And if some humans can reject that way of existence why wouldn't humans in general be able to open their minds to perhaps different ways of doing things? But yes I think the system heavily encourages those pursuits far beyond any natural human traits do....so perhaps if the system did not encourage that so much it would lead to people considering alternatives.

It's likely it'll never happen, certainly not in my life time.....so what else is there to do than than say 'screw it' and avoid participating too much in the current society...and all the stuff the masses are buying into. Maybe if enough people just become apathetic towards the system and this society it would have to change since no one would want to bother keeping it running.