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20 Nov 2014, 5:10 pm

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rj-eskow/ ... ifications

Because Conservatives are so good at sabotaging things to the point that they can barely survive and then place all the blame on someone else. Just as they have been doing with Obama for 6 years, and their brain dead voters eat every bit of the stupidity up.



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23 Nov 2014, 2:10 am

republicans keep saying gov't doesn't work, then get elected and prove it. sounds like self-fulfilling prophecy to me. they just want things to go back to the way they were in the 19th century [no direct election of senators, no social programs, etc.]



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23 Nov 2014, 2:35 am

And those Republican voters throw their support behind the GOP because they've fallen for the myth of the almighty Randian superman-individual who doesn't need to rely on anyone else - except for when they do, which is more often than not.


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23 Nov 2014, 4:38 am

What's the plan then ?

Perpetual debt until bankruptcy ? Use the military and take what we need ? Inflate away the debt and decimate the standard of living?

The world is not going to go on forever accepting IOU US debt paper or electronic credits for their natural resources.

Russia and China made an agreement to settle their trading in Yuan and Ruble
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/business/ ... 06721.html



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23 Nov 2014, 5:29 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
And those Republican voters throw their support behind the GOP because they've fallen for the myth of the almighty Randian superman-individual who doesn't need to rely on anyone else - except for when they do, which is more often than not.

including rand herself who collected old-age bennies under another name. if it was good enough for her it is good enough for everybody else, IMHO.



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23 Nov 2014, 11:09 am

LoveNotHate wrote:
What's the plan then ?

Perpetual debt until bankruptcy ? Use the military and take what we need ? Inflate away the debt and decimate the standard of living?

The world is not going to go on forever accepting IOU US debt paper or electronic credits for their natural resources.

Russia and China made an agreement to settle their trading in Yuan and Ruble
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/business/ ... 06721.html


For one thing, draw back on the expensive military adventurism, and grow the economy by raising the minimum wage, and keeping big business from outsourcing. That way, more Americans can pay into social security.


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23 Nov 2014, 12:02 pm

auntblabby wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
And those Republican voters throw their support behind the GOP because they've fallen for the myth of the almighty Randian superman-individual who doesn't need to rely on anyone else - except for when they do, which is more often than not.

including rand herself who collected old-age bennies under another name. if it was good enough for her it is good enough for everybody else, IMHO.


First of all we could stop stealing from the social security trust fund to use for other things. Secondly we can raise the cap on SS tax to maybe $129,000. If we at the bottom have to pay social security tax on every dollar we make then people in the upper income brackets should have to do the same. Also we can stop stigmatizing people who are on social security as if they are they enemy, calling them "takers" for receiving what was taken from their pay during their whole lifetime.



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23 Nov 2014, 2:01 pm

LoveNotHate wrote:
What's the plan then ?

Perpetual debt until bankruptcy ? Use the military and take what we need ? Inflate away the debt and decimate the standard of living?

The world is not going to go on forever accepting IOU US debt paper or electronic credits for their natural resources.

Russia and China made an agreement to settle their trading in Yuan and Ruble
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/business/ ... 06721.html


The US debt is not that high at all. They borrow at very low interest, which means that investors find US bonds a very safe investment compared to other countries, they trust they will get their money back.
The alternatives are raising taxes or reducing government spending, which are both not good options when the economy is down already. Both will cause people to lose jobs.



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23 Nov 2014, 4:56 pm

it seems the people who believe in "trickle down" cannot be disabused of that quaint notion.



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23 Nov 2014, 5:35 pm

chagya wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
And those Republican voters throw their support behind the GOP because they've fallen for the myth of the almighty Randian superman-individual who doesn't need to rely on anyone else - except for when they do, which is more often than not.

including rand herself who collected old-age bennies under another name. if it was good enough for her it is good enough for everybody else, IMHO.


First of all we could stop stealing from the social security trust fund to use for other things. Secondly we can raise the cap on SS tax to maybe $129,000. If we at the bottom have to pay social security tax on every dollar we make then people in the upper income brackets should have to do the same. Also we can stop stigmatizing people who are on social security as if they are they enemy, calling them "takers" for receiving what was taken from their pay during their whole lifetime.


Very well said, indeed. 8)


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23 Nov 2014, 5:57 pm

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The US debt is not that high at all.

This is true. They have inflated away major parts of it. Some of the side-effects are lower wages, a decrease in spending on Social Security, other benefits, and future obligations.

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23 Nov 2014, 6:13 pm

the social darwinists and ableists ["one should jerk oneself up by one's own bootstraps no matter what!" - "get rich or die trying!"] here will use any shred of otherwise useless data they can find with which to try to beat us "useless eaters" over the head. they won't be satisfied until we are all living in their promised land of Hobbesian 1800s-esque robber-baronish fundamentalist hell, with NO social services and [presumably] themselves in charge of us all.



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23 Nov 2014, 6:17 pm

You can't have your cake and eat it too.



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23 Nov 2014, 6:19 pm

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You can't have your cake and eat it too.

please diagram that for clueless me :?



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23 Nov 2014, 7:50 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
What's the plan then ?

Perpetual debt until bankruptcy ? Use the military and take what we need ? Inflate away the debt and decimate the standard of living?

The world is not going to go on forever accepting IOU US debt paper or electronic credits for their natural resources.

Russia and China made an agreement to settle their trading in Yuan and Ruble
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/business/ ... 06721.html


For one thing, draw back on the expensive military adventurism, and grow the economy by raising the minimum wage, and keeping big business from outsourcing. That way, more Americans can pay into social security.


meanwhile russia and china have increased military spending and are growing/modernizing their military force.
at the same time nato nations have been cutting budgets and decreasing.

what happen the last time we did that. hmm. 1941
we can't decrease our military to post ww1 standards like many want. that is just crazy. what we need to do instead of just cutting cutting cutting, is go in and fix the broken way the military and dod wastes money, same with fbi, cia, DHS

they all waste money to make sure they get the same ammount next year.
weapon programs for weapons we never adopt/attend to adopt. spending money on stupid stuff. starting programs just to cancel them before they finish. building ships that are outdated by the time they finish being built. just much wast could be cut without decreasing military size.



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23 Nov 2014, 8:01 pm

sly279 wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
What's the plan then ?

Perpetual debt until bankruptcy ? Use the military and take what we need ? Inflate away the debt and decimate the standard of living?

The world is not going to go on forever accepting IOU US debt paper or electronic credits for their natural resources.

Russia and China made an agreement to settle their trading in Yuan and Ruble
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/business/ ... 06721.html


For one thing, draw back on the expensive military adventurism, and grow the economy by raising the minimum wage, and keeping big business from outsourcing. That way, more Americans can pay into social security.


meanwhile russia and china have increased military spending and are growing/modernizing their military force.
at the same time nato nations have been cutting budgets and decreasing.

what happen the last time we did that. hmm. 1941
we can't decrease our military to post ww1 standards like many want. that is just crazy. what we need to do instead of just cutting cutting cutting, is go in and fix the broken way the military and dod wastes money, same with fbi, cia, DHS

they all waste money to make sure they get the same ammount next year.
weapon programs for weapons we never adopt/attend to adopt. spending money on stupid stuff. starting programs just to cancel them before they finish. building ships that are outdated by the time they finish being built. just much wast could be cut without decreasing military size.


I never said anything about reducing the military's size; rather, I said we should stop using our armed forces so frivolously, as we had in Iraq. Bush's war had put us into the hole by the billions of dollars, which could have been used domestically.


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