Everybody is lying to me.

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I'm kind of in a bad situation now, where I feel like everyone who used to be honest with me has severely changed. If I want to have a real discussion, I am told that I'm engaging in bar room banter. This new language people are speaking in, this hyper-neuortypicality, is difficult for me to process. I don't know how it got to be so bad, but I feel like telling the truth is pretty much over. What should I do?

Continue to tell the truth, and learn to spot carefully when others are not, then stop associating with them or gather the courage to call them out on said lies.

I'm under the impression that telling the truth can get you killed at this point. It has never been this bad.

Those who tell the truth are sort of being pushed into this underclass, no?

It sounds like you're in a serious situation with this - is this from friends, or are you just saying that it feels like you can lose a lot by being honest?

Well I've lost pretty much everything in my life for telling the truth. I admit I do it in a loud and obnoxious way. I find the top person in whatever industry I'm in, and call them out in front of the public. Have been through so many careers, but there is nobody left to hire me.

The other thing I do is express emotion in public. It's cost me so much. I can't keep living this way, and must learn how to lie before I end up homeless and on the streets.

Yeah, if it is just a need for being judicious about your words and reactions, holding your tongue has a long tradition of being viewed as wise. It isn't lying or unethical to refrain from saying something, in most cases. Better to choose your words and the time and place to share them very advisedly so they'll have the most impact. And reporting unethical behavior can often be done in ways that are more effective than just confronting them face to face. While dishonesty may be rampant, no business wants to be seen as dishonest by the general public, so will want to put the brakes on if it's getting out of control.

When you say "call them out," is it about their business practices or something that they're making you and the other employees do?

The expectation of deception is all about control and defining hierarchies within social context.
If you're sensing that this expectation has been becoming more intense over time, then you are correct.
The mechanism that makes this happen is what I call a mind virus, and there are many in effect right now.
Many of them pressure people into adopting more and more psychopathic type behaviors.

The divide between those who are very susceptible to the mind virus and those who are less susceptible grows larger each day, which causes a more defined social stratification.
The popular vs unpopular evolve into the employed vs the unemployed.
It also seems like it's getting harder to find environments where you can avoid these social pressures.
I don't know how to stop this, and I'm not sure that once people become severely infected that it can be reversed.

I agree that people are becoming more and more threatening and dangerous.
I'm not sure what to suggest other than to be more careful and try to find people who reject these pressures.

Ahhh, yes, the sociopathic angle.

That's good to bring up, and this thread may be useful: viewtopic.php?t=269895

olympiadis, I think your paradigm of defining hierarchies explains the workings of it well. I realize that much of what I found to be peculiar behavior was testing to see where they ranked against me. But then they got frustrated when I didn't play them for a higher spot on the social ladder.

One of the latest detection tools I've heard them using to test vulnerability is the "You're my favorite" phrase. I've heard it in two different places now. It's a power-play, but can brush it off, if you recognize it. If you fall for it, they know you're naive and they can manipulate you. Heard one say back, "You're my favorite, too" which was obviously a lie, but lies are expected, and the cleverest lie is often most respected.

Whether it's socio- or psycho-pathy, I'd agree I see more and more people who enjoy finding ways to take advantage of others, or maybe it's been there all along, and I'm just learning to be aware of it.

I used to have this problem, until I realised that personal truths are subjective and what is true to you, may not be so to another.

Then there are those people who are in denial and prefer to live in their own little world where 'worldly truths' (i.e. truths that can be proven by scientific evidence) just don't apply.

It is a defense mechanism because the truth makes them feel depressed, uncomfortable and socially awkward, so they prefer to live the lie that 'Blind Freddy' can see right through...it's a weakness of spirit and character. See it as such.

I mean, some people still believe that the Earth is flat and the moon landing was done in a TV studio.

You cannot convince these people otherwise...even though the number of people who choose to make up stuff as they go along is getting much worse, because they honestly believe it is true subconsciously.

So, whether or not it's really true is irrelevant because it is true to them and that's all that matters.

All you can do is say 'yeah yeah...whatever you say' even though you know they are talking out their anus - then just change the subject.

We assume that more normal people do not know the truth.

They do, generally.

They just moved on a long time ago.

It's no longer a concern.


Most of my employers have used dubious business practices. It's standard practice to doctor everything, as far as i can tell.

I draw the line at people getting sick or injured.

Give up on the truth, or get in a relationship. That's what they're for, i think.

I wouldn't know. Mine like to implode *thumbs up*. Lol.