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05 Feb 2015, 5:42 pm

I am not from the US but I think the reason why many people complain about the US is because it sits at the helm of the worlds power. There are many countries with much more violence, horrible social policies and blatant racism but they aren't nearly as influential. The United States is still the most powerful country in the world which is why it is a target of criticism for it's policies and decisions.

The one thing that really unsettled me about the US is that religious people were able to influence political policies which impeded medical research (stem cell) which I found appalling. Religion has no business in politics.



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05 Feb 2015, 6:24 pm

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I am not from the US but I think the reason why many people complain about the US is because it sits at the helm of the worlds power. There are many countries with much more violence, horrible social policies and blatant racism but they aren't nearly as influential. The United States is still the most powerful country in the world which is why it is a target of criticism for it's policies and decisions.

The one thing that really unsettled me about the US is that religious people were able to influence political policies which impeded medical research (stem cell) which I found appalling. Religion has no business in politics.


Trust me, plenty of us Americans agree with you concerning religious nuts influencing policy and politics.


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05 Feb 2015, 6:32 pm

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News Flash! World War Two ended 70 years ago!

Anyone who fought in that war is likely in his or her eighties, if they're still alive at all.

So blaming America for dropping the first atomic bomb is like blaming Germany for the Shoah (Holocaust) - pointless, since if a trial were to be held for those who gave the orders, there wouldn't be anyone to arrest and try!

You are blaming dead people for something that occurred long before you were even born!

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So because the people who made the decision and carried it out are dead that means the blame magically falls somewhere else aside from on the people who committed the act? I mean certainly not worth anyone getting their panties in a bunch since its history and nothing can be done about it....but it is still a fact the people who decided to drop the bomb and the ones who carried it out are technically to blame for making that decision as they are the ones who made it.


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05 Feb 2015, 6:35 pm

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America is in charge.

Deal with it.


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05 Feb 2015, 6:40 pm

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Here in the USA, they will simply:

1. Ostracize you.
2. Say things like "Deal with it."
3. Not care about you.
4. Say there is no free lunch.
5. You're envious of the rich

and so on and on...

In other places like North Korea they will do three things

1. Torture you.
2. Imprison you.
3. Kill you.

Using Dante's Inferno as analogy

We have a choice of the 1st Circle of Hell or the 8th Circle of Hell. So, choose your hell.

Another analogy: It's a choice between Kang and Kodos on the Simpsons. Kang wants to enslave and Kodos wants to commit genocide. If one has only a choice between Kang and Kodos what do you pick.



I like how whenever people try defending 'america is the best' they always choose the country with the worst possible system they can think of to compare the U.S with, as if there is absolutely countries within the middle ground.

There are numerous countries that are superior to North Korea as far as how citizens are treated and what freedoms/rights people have. Why not compare the U.S to say Iceland, Norway, Germany or any of the pretty well developed European countries?..Afraid people might realize the rest of the world is not all bad? and that the U.S actually does worse in some areas than other nations?

Also isn't the U.S guilty of torture, imprisonment and killing if we really want to get technical...hell for some non-violent drug offenses the minimum 'mandatory' sentence is 20 years in prison, seems there have been quite a lot of cases of police shooting people to death lately even a teenage girl in my state, and the cops in my state are also currently being sued for purposely tripping a pregnant woman while attempting to beat up her boyfriend while they had him in custody.

But I guess since there are places that are worse, these silly non-issues don't need to be addressed at all. :roll:


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05 Feb 2015, 9:27 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
cubedemon6073 wrote:
Here in the USA, they will simply:

1. Ostracize you.
2. Say things like "Deal with it."
3. Not care about you.
4. Say there is no free lunch.
5. You're envious of the rich

and so on and on...

In other places like North Korea they will do three things

1. Torture you.
2. Imprison you.
3. Kill you.

Using Dante's Inferno as analogy

We have a choice of the 1st Circle of Hell or the 8th Circle of Hell. So, choose your hell.

Another analogy: It's a choice between Kang and Kodos on the Simpsons. Kang wants to enslave and Kodos wants to commit genocide. If one has only a choice between Kang and Kodos what do you pick.



I like how whenever people try defending 'america is the best' they always choose the country with the worst possible system they can think of to compare the U.S with, as if there is absolutely countries within the middle ground.

There are numerous countries that are superior to North Korea as far as how citizens are treated and what freedoms/rights people have. Why not compare the U.S to say Iceland, Norway, Germany or any of the pretty well developed European countries?..Afraid people might realize the rest of the world is not all bad? and that the U.S actually does worse in some areas than other nations?

Also isn't the U.S guilty of torture, imprisonment and killing if we really want to get technical...hell for some non-violent drug offenses the minimum 'mandatory' sentence is 20 years in prison, seems there have been quite a lot of cases of police shooting people to death lately even a teenage girl in my state, and the cops in my state are also currently being sued for purposely tripping a pregnant woman while attempting to beat up her boyfriend while they had him in custody.

But I guess since there are places that are worse, these silly non-issues don't need to be addressed at all. :roll:


I was being facetious.



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06 Feb 2015, 8:43 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
Fnord wrote:
News Flash! World War Two ended 70 years ago!

Anyone who fought in that war is likely in his or her eighties, if they're still alive at all.

So blaming America for dropping the first atomic bomb is like blaming Germany for the Shoah (Holocaust) - pointless, since if a trial were to be held for those who gave the orders, there wouldn't be anyone to arrest and try!

You are blaming dead people for something that occurred long before you were even born!

:roll:


So because the people who made the decision and carried it out are dead that means the blame magically falls somewhere else aside from on the people who committed the act? I mean certainly not worth anyone getting their panties in a bunch since its history and nothing can be done about it....but it is still a fact the people who decided to drop the bomb and the ones who carried it out are technically to blame for making that decision as they are the ones who made it.


It's good to remember such events, so that we can learn from mans mistakes. That's why Remembrance Day and Memorial Day are observed around the world. It's good to discuss historical events, even if they happened before our time. Than again, there are present minded people.


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06 Feb 2015, 8:46 pm

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America - Love it or Leave it!



America, leave it indeed.

America the home of free opinions, as long as its the right one. :lol:


I prefer Canada to be honest. 8)


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06 Feb 2015, 10:32 pm

cubedemon6073 wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
cubedemon6073 wrote:
Here in the USA, they will simply:

1. Ostracize you.
2. Say things like "Deal with it."
3. Not care about you.
4. Say there is no free lunch.
5. You're envious of the rich

and so on and on...

In other places like North Korea they will do three things

1. Torture you.
2. Imprison you.
3. Kill you.

Using Dante's Inferno as analogy

We have a choice of the 1st Circle of Hell or the 8th Circle of Hell. So, choose your hell.

Another analogy: It's a choice between Kang and Kodos on the Simpsons. Kang wants to enslave and Kodos wants to commit genocide. If one has only a choice between Kang and Kodos what do you pick.



I like how whenever people try defending 'america is the best' they always choose the country with the worst possible system they can think of to compare the U.S with, as if there is absolutely countries within the middle ground.

There are numerous countries that are superior to North Korea as far as how citizens are treated and what freedoms/rights people have. Why not compare the U.S to say Iceland, Norway, Germany or any of the pretty well developed European countries?..Afraid people might realize the rest of the world is not all bad? and that the U.S actually does worse in some areas than other nations?

Also isn't the U.S guilty of torture, imprisonment and killing if we really want to get technical...hell for some non-violent drug offenses the minimum 'mandatory' sentence is 20 years in prison, seems there have been quite a lot of cases of police shooting people to death lately even a teenage girl in my state, and the cops in my state are also currently being sued for purposely tripping a pregnant woman while attempting to beat up her boyfriend while they had him in custody.

But I guess since there are places that are worse, these silly non-issues don't need to be addressed at all. :roll:


I was being facetious.


Even so it is a trend I've noticed...I wish people would stop randomly doing that in threads though, its confusing...lol for me anyways.


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07 Feb 2015, 6:45 am

CockneyRebel wrote:
thomas81 wrote:
Fnord wrote:

America - Love it or Leave it!



America, leave it indeed.

America the home of free opinions, as long as its the right one. :lol:


I prefer Canada to be honest. 8)


At least they are still loyal to the Queen. :D
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07 Feb 2015, 3:57 pm

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Y'know whenever I see a anti-American circle-jerk stirring about I have to ask you. What would you prefer the world power to be?

Would you prefer it to be the USSR where you can be sent to gulags for not supporting communism?

Complete strawman. I don't think the USSR even at its most craven, sent people to gulags for not actively promoting communism. While its well documented that they did this to active reactionaries, they never imprisoned or persecuted the apolitical.
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Would you prefer it to still be the British empire and watch them exploit the world for there own benefit?

Implying that the cabalistic league of American corporations doesnt exploit the world for its benefit.

While we're on the subject though, I probably would regard the British empire as the lesser of two evils. At least it would have spread the values of fair play and subsidised health services rather than this laissez-faire cancer masquerading as 'freedom'.
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Would you prefer it to be the Japanese and watch them treat other Asian minorities terribly?

Would you prefer it be the Mongolians and watch the world get sacked, raped and pillaged?

I don't really see how either of these two are pertinent.
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Would you prefer it to be German national socialist party and watch them mass kill Jews and eastern Euros?

No, but then the USSR which you so villified earlier in this post did far more to aid the defeat of the nazis than America did.
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the USA isn't perfect but its been most ethical dominating world power that we have seen of late

No, it hasn't.

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and I would rather they be the world power than someone else

Oops too late

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07 Feb 2015, 4:13 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
Fnord wrote:
America is in charge.

Deal with it.


:roll:


rolleyes is right.

America is in charge of nothing, not any more.

Its losing control of Eastern Europe to Russia and its lost control of its own economy to China.

The evil empire is in its death throes.


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07 Feb 2015, 4:22 pm

Europe is losing control to Islamists and their ideologies ... Greece is defaulting on its loans ... France is clamping down on dissidents ... Arson and murder are on the rise in Ulster ... I could go on.

Even if America is in decline (which I do not believe), countries on your side of the Atlantic seem to be way ahead of us in per capita crime and moral decay.


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07 Feb 2015, 5:02 pm

AspieOtaku wrote:
thomas81 wrote:
DeuceKaboose wrote:
Y'know whenever I see a anti-American circle-jerk stirring about I have to ask you. What would you prefer the world power to be?

Would you prefer it to be the USSR where you can be sent to gulags for not supporting communism?

Complete strawman. I don't think the USSR even at its most craven, sent people to gulags for not actively promoting communism. While its well documented that they did this to active reactionaries, they never imprisoned or persecuted the apolitical.
DeuceKaboose wrote:
Would you prefer it to still be the British empire and watch them exploit the world for there own benefit?

Implying that the cabalistic league of American corporations doesnt exploit the world for its benefit.

While we're on the subject though, I probably would regard the British empire as the lesser of two evils. At least it would have spread the values of fair play and subsidised health services rather than this laissez-faire cancer masquerading as 'freedom'.
DeuceKaboose wrote:
Would you prefer it to be the Japanese and watch them treat other Asian minorities terribly?

Would you prefer it be the Mongolians and watch the world get sacked, raped and pillaged?

I don't really see how either of these two are pertinent.
DeuceKaboose wrote:
Would you prefer it to be German national socialist party and watch them mass kill Jews and eastern Euros?

No, but then the USSR which you so villified earlier in this post did far more to aid the defeat of the nazis than America did.
DeuceKaboose wrote:
the USA isn't perfect but its been most ethical dominating world power that we have seen of late

No, it hasn't.

DeuceKaboose wrote:
and I would rather they be the world power than someone else

Oops too late

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Hahaha America China number one America number two hahahha America China now take over world, make entire world communist.


But as China has so willingly embraced business and the money that comes with it, they are hardly communists today. The greatest obstacle they face to ever overtaking America, though, is their continued embrace of totalitarian government which crushes any and all dissent. And on top of that, while they may advertise that they are still communist, their government provides the people with far less of a social safety net than the US does, leaving millions of people in the crushing, grinding poverty that only American oligarchs can appreciate in their wet dreams. True, someday China may overtake this country, but I fear that day would be a dark one for the world at large.


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07 Feb 2015, 5:16 pm

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Europe is losing control to Islamists and their ideologies ... Greece is defaulting on its loans ... France is clamping down on dissidents ... Arson and murder are on the rise in Ulster ... I could go on.

Even if America is in decline (which I do not believe), countries on your side of the Atlantic seem to be way ahead of us in per capita crime and moral decay.


I think you need to check some of the facts. Crime, which country are you talkign about? As per capita crime rate is worse in the US, than it is in many countries in Europe, and significantly so, especially violent crime and homicides.

I make no claim to why that is however. I have no political point to make about it, but I have noticed that those that try to claim to the counter have some domestic issue they wish to make a political point on. The reality is though US crime for whatever reason is high. But I'm sure if you removed the cites, it would be quite reasonable.

NI is subject in my experience that many a US injector tend to have very little clue on, however well intentioned.

There have been some recent incidents, but nothing at the scale at the of the Troubles. Post 1997 things have generally got a lot better.



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07 Feb 2015, 5:41 pm

Fnord, and think for a minute why that attitude, doesn't win any favours and is most detrimental to the US itself.

I have spent a lot of time defending the US, in this thread, but you I can't defend that. Why? Because it as ridiculous and conceited as the OP.

I understand why you might be defensive, but come on, you can do better than that. You are smart, you can make a better argument, such as starting with the good things that the US exports.