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09 Mar 2015, 9:52 am

It looks like Japan needs to enact stricter knife-control laws.

LINK: Man accused of fatally stabbing five neighbors in Japan


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09 Mar 2015, 12:09 pm

Was it one of those dangerous assault knives?


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09 Mar 2015, 4:26 pm

Raptor wrote:
Was it one of those dangerous assault knives?


Yeah, it was the "Konami Tactical Assault Knife 1911 Mk. IV" and it was equipped with laser sights, a skullbasher, and a Hello Kitty sticker. The Hello Kitty sticker is what makes it an Assault Weapon.


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09 Mar 2015, 5:18 pm

The massacre a few months back in my state with a knife has vanished from the public. If a pistol was used, you can bet arguments would be going still.



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09 Mar 2015, 6:17 pm

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The massacre a few months back in my state with a knife has vanished from the public. If a pistol was used, you can bet arguments would be going still.


I vaguely recall hearing something about that...

I wonder if anyone would care about Roger Elliot's rampage for arguments sake if he only knifed and hit people with his car and didn't shoot anyone.


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11 Mar 2015, 11:55 am

Protogenoi wrote:
Dillogic wrote:
The massacre a few months back in my state with a knife has vanished from the public. If a pistol was used, you can bet arguments would be going still.


I vaguely recall hearing something about that...

I wonder if anyone would care about Roger Elliot's rampage for arguments sake if he only knifed and hit people with his car and didn't shoot anyone.


This thread was started 3 days ago and is still on the fist page. Had a gun been involved we'd be up to several pages by now.....


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11 Mar 2015, 12:11 pm

In the United Kingdom, they do talk about "knife violence" and "knife crime" in much the same way gun violence is discussed here and there are calls for more control of knives, even kitchen knives.

You may jest, but it really can go that way. Weirdly, the UK is also a place with incredibly low penalties for many crimes. Criminals convicted of serious assaults and attempted murders routinely get very short prison sentences. It seems the goal of controlling the behavior of the law abiding is more intense than the goal of controlling the behavior of criminals.

It's very strange.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/knifecrime
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/cr ... 51165.html



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11 Mar 2015, 12:18 pm

I'm for the legality of guns and etc. as much as anyone (Glock 36 at my elbow as I "tap" this) but it seems guns can and do appeal more to enraged cowards in this country more than knives might. Seems like this may vary in other countries.

Just guessin'.



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11 Mar 2015, 5:42 pm

I thought this thread was going to be about how he might have been an aspie.

He was a hikikomori, an extreme recluse.

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2015/0 ... QDFmDTF8-Q



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11 Mar 2015, 6:20 pm

Adamantium wrote:
In the United Kingdom, they do talk about "knife violence" and "knife crime" in much the same way gun violence is discussed here and there are calls for more control of knives, even kitchen knives.

You may jest, but it really can go that way. Weirdly, the UK is also a place with incredibly low penalties for many crimes. Criminals convicted of serious assaults and attempted murders routinely get very short prison sentences. It seems the goal of controlling the behavior of the law abiding is more intense than the goal of controlling the behavior of criminals.

It's very strange.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/knifecrime
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/cr ... 51165.html


It's not that the UK has low penalties for crimes, your perspective is skewed because the US has ridiculously harsh penalties for crimes. They lock up more people than just about anywhere. Most other European countries also have less severe punishments than the US.



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11 Mar 2015, 7:26 pm

trollcatman wrote:
Adamantium wrote:
In the United Kingdom, they do talk about "knife violence" and "knife crime" in much the same way gun violence is discussed here and there are calls for more control of knives, even kitchen knives.

You may jest, but it really can go that way. Weirdly, the UK is also a place with incredibly low penalties for many crimes. Criminals convicted of serious assaults and attempted murders routinely get very short prison sentences. It seems the goal of controlling the behavior of the law abiding is more intense than the goal of controlling the behavior of criminals.

It's very strange.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/knifecrime
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/cr ... 51165.html


It's not that the UK has low penalties for crimes, your perspective is skewed because the US has ridiculously harsh penalties for crimes. They lock up more people than just about anywhere. Most other European countries also have less severe punishments than the US.


Remember kids, Genocide and Crimes Against Humanity only have maximum sentences of 30 Years and smoking a joint will get you locked up just as long. And sadly, I'm not fully joking.

In the U.S. the entire criminal system is backwards and broken. There was a student in Pennsylvania who served 8 years in prison for making a parody facebook page of her principle. She got out of prison at the age of 22. She got out of prison because the judge who sentenced her was imprisoned for laundering money given to him by the prison. More than 2000 kids were found to have been falsely imprisoned and released. And by prison, I am not referring to juvenile detention, I'm talking about adult prison. Many of the kids left the prison addicted to hard drugs, the addiction they picked up in prison. Some of the students were released in their late 20's or early 30's and were imprisoned in middle school for things like a single food fight. They were not given any education in prison, but some of them did return to school. The kids had their lives stolen from them.


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11 Mar 2015, 7:30 pm

As mentioned, where guns are banned you'll hear some very seriously talk of "knife control

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11 Mar 2015, 8:27 pm

trollcatman wrote:
Adamantium wrote:
In the United Kingdom, they do talk about "knife violence" and "knife crime" in much the same way gun violence is discussed here and there are calls for more control of knives, even kitchen knives.

You may jest, but it really can go that way. Weirdly, the UK is also a place with incredibly low penalties for many crimes. Criminals convicted of serious assaults and attempted murders routinely get very short prison sentences. It seems the goal of controlling the behavior of the law abiding is more intense than the goal of controlling the behavior of criminals.

It's very strange.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/knifecrime
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/cr ... 51165.html


It's not that the UK has low penalties for crimes, your perspective is skewed because the US has ridiculously harsh penalties for crimes. They lock up more people than just about anywhere. Most other European countries also have less severe punishments than the US.


No, that's not it. I don't disagree that the prison-industrial complex in the US is hopelessly broken, not least by the excesses of the phony "war on drugs" that has been the thin cover for the ongoing "war on black people" at the state and local level.

But British justice is weird in it's own right and the defects of the American system do not somehow make the practices in Britain rational or fair.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-sussex-20397278

WARNING this next one is a horrific story of absurd British sentencing in a sexual assault on a very young child, don't read it if you might be upset by it:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... rdeal.html

The Judge said the young rapist "would have received 6.5 years if you were an adult" just before he let him off with no custodial sentence at all.

It's not the first time this judge has passed down a similar strain of weirdly weak "justice" --
https://www.change.org/p/houses-of-parl ... ts-go-free

And then there is this one:
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-sussex-20397278

Apparently, "Unduly lenient sentence complaints are on the rise"
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-23082737

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... nient.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... nient.html

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2013/07/10/co ... -to-death/

Still, I guess those victims were aspies so a slap on the wrist is a perfectly reasonable response </sarcasm>



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12 Mar 2015, 6:59 pm

Someone hell bent on killing others will do so by any means, no amount of laws will deter them.



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12 Mar 2015, 7:11 pm

Protogenoi wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Was it one of those dangerous assault knives?


Yeah, it was the "Konami Tactical Assault Knife 1911 Mk. IV" and it was equipped with laser sights, a skullbasher, and a Hello Kitty sticker. The Hello Kitty sticker is what makes it an Assault Weapon.


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12 Mar 2015, 7:29 pm

Adamantium wrote:
trollcatman wrote:
Adamantium wrote:
In the United Kingdom, they do talk about "knife violence" and "knife crime" in much the same way gun violence is discussed here and there are calls for more control of knives, even kitchen knives.

You may jest, but it really can go that way. Weirdly, the UK is also a place with incredibly low penalties for many crimes. Criminals convicted of serious assaults and attempted murders routinely get very short prison sentences. It seems the goal of controlling the behavior of the law abiding is more intense than the goal of controlling the behavior of criminals.

It's very strange.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/knifecrime
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/cr ... 51165.html


It's not that the UK has low penalties for crimes, your perspective is skewed because the US has ridiculously harsh penalties for crimes. They lock up more people than just about anywhere. Most other European countries also have less severe punishments than the US.


No, that's not it. I don't disagree that the prison-industrial complex in the US is hopelessly broken, not least by the excesses of the phony "war on drugs" that has been the thin cover for the ongoing "war on black people" at the state and local level.

But British justice is weird in it's own right and the defects of the American system do not somehow make the practices in Britain rational or fair.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-sussex-20397278

WARNING this next one is a horrific story of absurd British sentencing in a sexual assault on a very young child, don't read it if you might be upset by it:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... rdeal.html

The Judge said the young rapist "would have received 6.5 years if you were an adult" just before he let him off with no custodial sentence at all.

It's not the first time this judge has passed down a similar strain of weirdly weak "justice" --
https://www.change.org/p/houses-of-parl ... ts-go-free

And then there is this one:
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-sussex-20397278

Apparently, "Unduly lenient sentence complaints are on the rise"
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-23082737

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... nient.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... nient.html

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2013/07/10/co ... -to-death/

Still, I guess those victims were aspies so a slap on the wrist is a perfectly reasonable response </sarcasm>


That's not really unique to Britain, you'll find stuff like in other European countries too. Most of these cases are fuckups, not the way it is supposed to work. That one judge that thinks rape is "what boys do" is just messed up. In another case the prosecution failed to provide the evidence. Well, you can't expect a judge to convict people without evidence.
But it always surprises me that people in the US get extremely long sentences, and still they don't have less crime than European countries. It's just that this focus on punishment is not effective, people are not deterred by X years in prison, because their imagination can't even conceive of how long for example 5 years in prison is. The only way to deter crime is to make sure there is an economic perspective for everyone, make sure people with mental problems have access to treatment. Because you don't really deter people with harsher punishments. And if certain punishments don't deter people, then they are just a money sink for taxpayers.

For example, the murder rate in the Netherlands is 0.9 per 100,000 people, it's 4.7 in the US. When you think about it, you are probably better off committing murder in the Netherlands, because if you get caught you'll likely get a much lighter punishment. The murderer of Pim Fortuin (a political murder, he was an important politician) got out after 12 years. Fanatics are not really deterred by punishments at all. You can give the death penalty to Jihadis, it won't deter them because they want to die anyway. Same with suicidal people who do a school shooting or something similar.