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It's the caliber of your comments that does it.


More like mutual annoyance.


I hardly need rescued.

The battle cry of those who know they have no better rebuttal.


I don't see Dox hammering at all liberals here and we have plenty of them. It's just you and those few like you.


So where did I, being someone who actually works, accuse anyone of class envy over treatment of workers or the income gap?
Find it.


I'm repeatedly on record as supporting a social safety net using those exact words and you know it. Want me to go back and find a heaping handful of examples? This is exactly why you end up drawing the wrath you do; blatant dishonesty.

If I were even close to being as partisanly conservative as you are partisanly liberal you might have something to take umbrage to.

Raptor-

With guys like you, you can talk about giving assistance to people who really need it all you want, but the thing is, nobody ever fits the standards you set. Or in other words, the talk is just window dressing for excluding the truly needy.
As for your denial of your accusations of class envy - you certainly have a selective memory. Recently when Auntblabby had been commenting on Wisconsin workers being forced to work without a break, you made a snide remark about him coveting the wealth of the rich. You've constantly accused me of the same thing.
Sure, you're a working man, but that doesn't stop you from continually siding with big business, defending their cutting wages and benefits, and relocating to places in the third world (such as Texas) where they con workers into taking slave wages for a promise of a better life that never materializes. But to prove how magnanimous I am, I do recall how you conceded that the minimum wage should be raised. But back on topic, my dad had been a union grievance man (shop steward), and he had constantly seen how working men embraced the Republican party - no friend of the working man - and so it hardly matters that you're a worker, you can still be very anti-worker.
You know something, a member much wiser than either you or Dox suggested to me in a PM that I'm just wasting my time arguing with you two, that I should just ignore your taunts and use my energies for positive purposes. I think he very likely was right, as I only refuse to let go of an argument out of ego and anger.
So you and Dox can go off together to your Galtville utopia . I've got better things to do.

1. What "standards" did I set?
2. I don't give a s**t enough about what people thnk of me to bother using "window dressing".


You and your buddy Auntblabby moan at every opportunity about the rich while being poor. Do either of you lift a finger to improve your lot?


Embrace the GOP? Hardly in my case. I'm a conservative, not necessarily a dyed in the wool republican. For me it's always been the lesser of two evils. I come from a democrat upbringing so I've seen both sides. We've been over and over this. Your continued insistence on making me out to be what I am not gets back to what I was talking about in my last post. That and your blind liberal partisanship is what makes you a target.


Posting some of the things you post could be considered taunts, if you want to get right down to it.


Good Lord.....
"You and Dox, you and Dox, you and Dox". You sound like a parrot. There is no secret coalition between Dox and I to torment you and it's delusional for you to keep harping on it.

More like demonstrably true observations, unlike your constant slander of me.



Painfully apparent to those with painfully poor reading comprehension perhaps, as any reading of my posting history will quickly demonstrate that I only wield that particular cudgel against those talking out of their asses, not those who disagree with me generally.



Moral equivalence again, and demonstrably false, again. I differ from the libertarian party on numerous issues, while you have yet to differ from the Democratic one on a single position.



I'm not in charge of Raptor, if you have a problem with his approach, report him.

I'm not a snitch, so I'm not reporting on Raptor or anyone.
As I told Raptor, I've gotten some sage advice from another WP member that I'm only burning myself out with endless arguments with you two. And I'm only doing it out of pride and ego. I've got too many headaches in my life at the moment.

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Funny, the PMs I get concerning you usually suggest that I lay off you cause you're obviously slow on the uptake and incapable of understanding the arguments being made, but I just can't seem to let that much uninformed hypocrisy slide, baby seal clubbing or not.

Isn't it patently obvious. of course you'll never hear a peep from those two if Rush Limbaugh makes his usual narrow minded attacks or critique Fox news horrendously biased views on unions or wages or welfare, equal rights or attacks on minorities...I had to guffaw when Doxy invoked ACLU, anything to launder their poorly hidden conservative/right wing views I guess.

Yes I notice the tactic...we play the ball and they change tack and attack the man instead. Old school right wing tactic out of the conservative manual on how to deal with "uppity" socialists or humanitarians

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Funny, the PMs I get about you usually suggest that I lay off you cause you're obviously slow on the uptake and incapable of understanding the arguments being made, but I just can't seem to let that much uninformed hypocrisy slide. Try speaking knowledgebly and making coherent arguments, it would be a big improvement over what you're doing.

Oh your such a charitable soul
Please be gentle with my slow wit...

Agreed, and agreed.
As I'm not addressing Dox anymore, I'll just say to you that he's resorting to personal attacks against me, and that actually speaks volumes. Can't wait for what he'll say next to slam my intelligence and political views.

Yes they seem to persistently make personal attacks on you. I'm surprised you haven't notified the mods?
They are trying their luck with denigrating me but I have a fairly thick hide (at least my wife thinks so )

I don't have a particularly thick hide, which is why I let them drag me into their forever arguments. That's something I certainly have to work on.
But as for summoning the moderators - the only time I've ever done that was when a self identified NT didn't take kindly to my response to one of his posts, so he sent me a PM, in which he called me an Aspie ret*d, and included a very bloody, disgusting site showing real life photos of murders and war crimes. It's seems the cretin had made the error of threatening the very moderator I had contacted, as well, and so he got zapped from WP. But otherwise, I'm not going to snitch on another member for just being rude. At least Dox and Raptor had never more or less threatened my life with photos of decapitations, like that former psycho member had.

Why would I care when a radio personality who has nothing to do with me says something? You'll notice that I also don't attack left wing radio personalities either, as frankly I'm completely uninterested in what the pundit class has to say, which sort of undermines your laughable attempt to link me to Limbaugh and co. I'd say nice attempted red herring, but it was really pretty clumsy and obvious.



I invoked the ACLU as a left wing group who supports my position, insulating it from the kind of sub-moronic guilt by association attacks you seem so fond of, though I may have overestimated you with that play. I've never hidden my beliefs on this board, which fall to both the left and right depending on the subject, having independently arrived at them, as opposed to simply having been indoctrinated into them as a set. I'm also fully capable of explaining and justifying my positions using facts and logic, something both you and Kraichgauer have never demonstrated any aptitude for.



Actually, I entered the thread trying to help Kraichgauer better understand how his prejudice against "jocks" colors his opinions and causes him to make unfounded assumptions, but then he decided to take some pot shots at me, so you can lay that one squarely at his feet, as well as your own as it was you who personalized it with Raptor.

A personal attack would be calling you nasty names; I'm merely pointing out obvious characteristics that make it difficult to impossible to have a rational discussion with you. I don't have to say anything about your intelligence, anyone reading your posts can easily draw the same conclusions I have, to say nothing of your poor reading comprehension and lack of integrity, they're absolutely glaring. You may not like having those things pointed out, but that doesn't make them attacks, simply observations.

He's welcome to try, but I don't think he'd get the response he wanted, especially given his own well documented history of attacking and slandering me as well as trolling conservatives generally, which I have kept a running report on over the years. Besides, I can back up every claim I've ever made about him, while he cannot do the same, demonstrating that my comments are driven by observation, while his are driven by spite.



"Denigrate"? I'd say discredit, and it's not hard when every word that comes out of your mouth is ignorant at best.