Why people don't believe in climate science

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Welcome to reality, teh. Life is about worrying.

Well ya know, if all else fails, why not just grow edible cactii? That will grow in any arid region. Perfect food in a water pinch.

All this talk about "climate change" makes me want a coal roller.

People forget that this is the real renewable energy:

Particulates actually can cause cooling, but they also worsen air quality, and cause acid rain. The great smog of London, was a very unpleasant and unhealthy environment to live under.

I don't think anyone with anyone with any basic education can deny the simple chemistry of sulfur dioxide (which is also poisonous) plus water equals sulfuric acid.

There is climate change denial, and there is being a dick. Being a dick has nothing to do with, if you need to be a dick, you probably don't know much about anything.

Regardless of what you think of climate science, being a dick, deliberately wasteful, selfish, these are not things to be proud of.

Anyone with asthma, or respiratory problems knows what it is like to live in a polluted city.

Oh, but being dickish, deliberately wasteful, and selfish can be such great fun.

Sure. All the positive effects of climate change are not due to global warming. The latest negative effect, recently discovered by a dedicated researcher at the University of Oxford, details how our perception of music is negatively affected by the current cataclysmic events. I wouldn't be surprised if the rise of death metal can be correlated to global warming. This lends further credence to the biblical depiction of hell as a burning hot sulphuric pit of torment and agony.

They'll claim that mule farts are ozone depleting.

You are confusing ozone with green house effect.

Farts aren't created equally. For instance not all humans produce significant methane (which is also odourless btw), this depends on their gut bacteria, which also has genetic factors.

Gut bacteria from Kangaroos is being cultured for cattle to reduce emissions.

Cow burps generally produce more emissions than, farts.

One thing stands out about all these horror stories, they lack anything that could be done about it.

Population, warming, cooling, magnetic fields, meteors, are all going to happen, there are records most have happened in the past.

There are other records, what is now the Sahara was grassland with trees, lakes, rivers, until 8,200 years ago.

It was rapid, the desert effect spread through the middle east, and perhaps out to the Gobi, also grassland, suddenly desert.

Areas of the Andes where people grew corn, now a quarter mile too high to grow corn.

Recent history is filled with dustbowls, droughts, locusts, famines, where people die in the millions, because the rains failed one year. There were killer famines in Europe, some from drought, some from wet years, and some from cold years.

This is not something that might happen in the future, famine in Russia and China in the 1930s killed more than WWII. China bumps that up with floods and earthquakes, that killed as many.

None of this can be blamed on Global Warming.

We know that patterns of rainfall change all on their own, and have done so since we moved around in sailing ships.

If greenhouse gasses are going to cause runaway climate change, it has already happened. Much has been said about 400ppm CO2, like the dinosaurs are going to return, but no one has any idea how to extract it.

We could kill all the cows and farmers. We could quit using coal and oil, and CO2 will continue to rise, because China and India produce it. Killing China and India would produce greenhouse gasses. After that, CO2 will rise because of more population.

We cannot stop it, reverse it, so that leaves adapt to the changing climate as we always have.

Climate Change might as well be The Earthquake Problem. Three big ones are due, Washington, California, and New Madrid. Each will cause mass destruction, there is nothing we can do.

A meteor will strike the Earth, big enough to leave a mile wide crater. Over 25,000 years it is a sure thing. The last was 26,000 years ago in Mauritania. 52,000 years ago, Barringer in Arizona, another in India. By the odds, we are due. Four out of five strike the ocean. We are way over due. There is nothing we can do.

There is solid evidence, but people do not believe in Meteor Science.

You would be better off in so many ways.

And don't forget bicycles and all the technology that can spring from that if we worked on it. Bicycle technology has been put on the back burner because of motors but there could be a lot done to make them much easier to use, faster, too, and to perform more tasks, all without gas or oil.

Just think you would never have any threat of horses, other animal such as oxen, or bicycles ever being taken away. No one will say to you, one day you won't have those. You will never run out of horses or oxen and a really good bike could technically last 500 years if made out of the right materials, with only needing wheels and chain replaced. The frame could last 500 years if kept indoors and made out of the right material.

AND, most importantly, the best benefit of all from bicycles? You would be more physically fit doing all that peddling. You would get more sunshine and fresh air which is vital to your health. Your body needs a bit of sunlight each day to undergo certain processes but you would need to wear protective clothing and a hat, sun block the nose, in order to keep the radiation from the declining magnetic field from infecting your skin with cancer.

Wasn't the Gobi forested during the Holocene Climatic Optimum?

That's not an indication of a change in altitude, but a change in climate. During the Holocene Climatic Optimum, temperatures were sharply warmer than today which would make farming possible in areas where it is not possible today.

YES but OTHER places would have not been optimal for farming. Don't you see? The overall reduction of farm land and crop failure is the problem, not a few spots that undergo change that allow for farming.

Seriously, man. You are only seeing half the picture. You think, oh, all these places will suddenly be open for farming that and the season will be longer so climate change = good when in reality, crops will be less abundant, poorer quality and will fail more often while big swaths of land could end up too arid for much to grow at all.


I mean, look at what is happening in California, right now, a place that grows a good deal of the food we consume. Then you got Florida, another big producer, which will mostly be under water. The Mississippi River Valley that grows crops, gone. Underwater. Not even looked at the data from Mexico, another agricultural zone. If you lose a lot of that to water, there goes even more valuable crop land. And if you are going to say it will be replaced with other areas, you don't know if that's true because you haven't seen that happen. You are merely SPECULATING. Well you better hope you are right.


California is quickly becoming a place that will grow less food, it's happening right before our eyes as I type this. They are running out of water, have been for years. Look at New Mexico and Arizona...not much growing going on there. Well, you could be looking at most of California ending up like those two in the next fifty years.

That's nothing but panic. The reality is that there is no indication that warmer temperatures will reduce the amount of farm land and increase crop failure. It is nothing but imagination run amok.



In the 1990s, I believed the Global Warming Disaster myth as much as anyone else. But then I started to look at what has really happened in the past when it has been warmer and found the myth to be completely unfounded. It is nothing more than fear of change. Since people aren't sure about the precise details it worries them and opens them up to thinking the worst regardless of fact.

In my case, I started to wonder WHY it would be a disaster. Once I got past that stumbling block, it became clear that there would be a great many benefits to Global Warming. And as time passed and we saw through the idiocy of many of the doom and gloom predictions by the Global Warming Panickers I could see just how little they really knew and were able to predict. Not only that, how willing they were to sieze upon any doom and gloom conjecture and use it as additional arguments for why it would be a disaster.

I've said it many times -- look at the history. Simplistic models are no substitute for looking to see what really happened in the past. Look at what happened when the world was warmer. Look at how our temperatures compare today to the past. If you take an honest look at the past, and not one tinged with panic, you can only see that the predictions of doom and gloom are nonsense.

Sure, there will be some problems. Some people will be worse off. Some people may not be able to live at the spot where their great grandparents lived because of rising sea levels. Other people will be better off. Many will be much, much better off.

Look at how warmer weather affects crops. In most cases, they grow better and are more productive. Higher CO2 helps as well, so much so that many greenhouse owners pump CO2 into the greenhouses to increase the productivity of the plants growing inside them. And if you want to see what crops can grow if temperatures are a couple of degrees warmer where you live, don't just assume you are going to be growing precisely the same crops. Any farmer who would insist on growing the same crop regardless of the temperature is a pretty useless farmer. Real farmers are quite ready to change to other crops when appropriate. Instead of assuming that a farmer will grow the same crops (and the same varieties of those crops), look to see what grows where it is warmer now.

Disaster? Not hardly.



Just how much sea level rise do you think is going to happen? It is not physically possible for that much ice to melt in such a short period of time to raise the sea level enormously.

As for other areas, yes it is true. There is vast amounts of area in the north that is hardly farmed at all. There is some farming in Alaska, but not much. From what I understand, most of the farmland in Canada is relatively close to the US border because the climate is too cold further north. Warm the planet and much of that area will be available for farming.

And like I said earlier, we have far more farmland today than it takes to feed the world. The problem with hunger in some parts of the world has little to do with farming, but about both government policies and transportation issues. And for that matter, better transportation can increase hunger if the food is given away and leaves the local farmers unable to compete and thus no reason to keep farming.



There have been droughts in the past and there will be droughts in the future. There is nothing about this drought that requires Global Warming to explain it at all, although many people jump to the conclusion that they must be related.

Much of the issue with water is with very poor practices included those created by so-called environmentalists. What ethanol really requires is the use of enormous amounts of ground water to grow the corn to make ethanol. Take away the government pushing for ethanol and it will be much more likely that the farmland is used for other crops that don't require as much water.

By the way, if there is one lesson you should really learn from the past, it is that those who predict doom and gloom are most likely wrong. Quit listening to the soothsayers and look around for yourself.

What's happening in California at this exact moment tells a different story. We are losing farm land. We are also losing farmland in the state in which I live. Conditions have been consistently dry for years, farmers have taken hits on their cattle, had to sell them off because they didn't have enough hay in which to feed them over winter and costs were going off the board so you see, it's already impacted farming. Time to get the head out of the sand and start thinking in terms of land, air, water, instead of only thinking of monetary debt because it's a fact, you cannot eat money, you can't breathe it, you can't drink it. The value is actually in the land, air, water, things you need for your survival because if something happens to them...

I try to get people to see the reality of it. Money just confuses people and causes some of us to do ridiculous, harmful things. We should value what will physically care for us, not money.

The entire western US, consistently dry for years now. It should be a concern. Not necessarily a panic, but yeah, we should all be concerned it is happening.

So by your thinking, if we have a drought and the climate is slowly warming, then there must be a connection between the two. What you have to prove is that one is the cause of the other or that they have a common cause. It is a gross error to just assume that they are related.

The fact is that the science is NOT in agreement that there is a relation between the two. Some think that they may be connected and some think that any connection is weak or nonexistent. From what I've read, it appears that those who seem to think that there is a connection are also less expert on the California climate and weather than those who dismiss the notion that Global Warming is a significant factor in the drought.