10 Conspiracy Theories That Turned Out To Be True

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20 May 2015, 9:11 am

LewRockwell.com wrote:
World War 3 will be a guerilla information war, with no division between military and civilian participation. --Marshall McLuhan

In recent years, the mere notion of the conspiracy theory has increasingly been ridiculed by even some of the more liberal mainstream news outlets, but don’t let them fool you: it isn't always some wackadoodle notion without merit or evidence. In fact, sometimes it turns out to be dead on. Here are 10 you may or may not be familiar with that turned out to be true….

LewRockwell.com: "10 Conspiracy Theories That Turned Out To Be True" (May 20, 2015)
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2015/05/no_ ... -demonized


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23 May 2015, 5:38 pm

Conspiracy is dictionary defined as a secret plan to deceive. There is mass evidence that we are confronted indirectly with conspiracies everyday in every day life, because there are many bodies intent on deceiving - Big Pharma, political parties, corporates, governments, agencies like the NSA, CIA, Al Quaeda...

Dismissing someone as a conspiracy theorist is a cheap shot promoted by a biased media to silence critics of whichever conspirators any particular media supports (and may receive financial kickbacks from).

These days, you would have to be pretty naive not to believe in conspiracies; there are probably more now than ever before at any point in history.

People who blithely throw "conspiracy theorist" at anyone whose opinions they happen to disagree with advertise their own ignorance, or a preference for the ostrich position, sadly.



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23 May 2015, 6:03 pm

Yep. In the United States, at least, there is a certain percentage of the residents who believe that the government (and large corporations) can do no wrong despite all the evidence to the contrary. Sadly, I believe that they are either too nostalgic for the former post-war euphoria, or that they realize what has happened and see it requiring them to work too hard to correct the trend now.

For me, the truth is as appealing as it is convincing.


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23 May 2015, 6:53 pm

Tinfoil hat guy who was ridiculed for claiming the U.S. government and it's allies were collecting on monitoring all forms of communications.

It was from the late 1990s, the internet made a gif out of it mocking him and his fellow friends.

In the end he was more right than he even knew!


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23 May 2015, 7:26 pm

Of course conspiracies exist.


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24 May 2015, 1:22 pm

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24 May 2015, 4:48 pm

I don't have have a problem with the idea of conspiracy theories. However there are some common weakness in some of them:

  • The actual point of taking said action, what it would actually achieve, and whether it is even necessary or advantageous for their supposed aims.
  • Why such powerful forces need to be so covert rather than just overt?.
  • A tendency to see think in black and white good/evil terms and also lump all bad thing together as a single force. It also tend to absolve themselves of human nature in the process.
  • The point of leaving obscure clues to the true believer for no apparent objective.
  • The manpower and logistics needed to carry out the conspiracy in reality conflicting with the self interest of those involved, who don't seem to all have an interest in keeping the conspiracy secret.
  • Schizotypal assumption chaining. Seeing certain pasterns at the exclusion of other possibilities, and simply "proving" yourself right. Certain personalities are more susceptible to magical thinking.
  • The history of real conspiracies being quite bit messier, and difficult to keep under control.
  • Contrarianism and susceptibility to propaganda. If you don't trust once party you are more open to suggestion from another. The key thing is to treat every explanation with equal skepticism.



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25 May 2015, 8:28 am

This thread needs more George Carlin...


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25 May 2015, 10:31 am

The 'P2 Lodge'
is a good one too



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25 May 2015, 10:44 am

B19 wrote:
Dismissing someone as a conspiracy theorist is a cheap shot promoted by a biased media to silence critics of whichever conspirators any particular media supports (and may receive financial kickbacks from).

There are also politically correct conspiracy theories. Such as "Al Qaeda did 9/11" which are difficult to challenge. To the extent of skeptics of them being called 'conspiracy theorists', even when they don't advocate an alternative conspiracy theory.


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25 May 2015, 11:50 am

slenkar wrote:
The 'P2 Lodge'
is a good one too

And, the Pvt. Jessica Lynch and the Cpl. Pat Tillman stories ( http://www.cbsnews.com/news/jessica-lyn ... d-straight ).


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25 May 2015, 1:59 pm

mpe wrote:
There are also politically correct conspiracy theories. Such as "Al Qaeda did 9/11" which are difficult to challenge. To the extent of skeptics of them being called 'conspiracy theorists', even when they don't advocate an alternative conspiracy theory.


Skepticism means not taking what you are told at face value. Skepticism doesn't mean coming up with an elaborate alternative. You need to be skeptical of that too.

The problem with governments is real historical conspiracies like the overthrow of the elected prime minister of Iran in the 50s, give good reasons to distrust.

The problem for citizens is whether they believe conspiracies or not is they are still susceptible to suggestion, propaganda and historical revisionism. Taking a different position doesn't remove the susceptibility.



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25 May 2015, 2:07 pm

Ban-Dodger wrote:
Dogmatism is the biggest enemy to mental-growth...


I agree with you.. Many "truthers" are extremely dogmatic, and they also have an ideology behind that.


Like extreme nationalists. If there is a conspiracy against such people, the I hope it succeeds.



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25 May 2015, 2:23 pm

0_equals_true wrote:
Skepticism means not taking what you are told at face value. Skepticism doesn't mean coming up with an elaborate alternative. You need to be skeptical of that too....

But, as more and more truth is admitted by those who conspired previously and repeatedly ( http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/03/ ... more-42884 ), it becomes difficult to believe anything they say. When governments are fundamentally structured to lie to their own tax-paying, voting, citizens (a.k.a. employers), those who do speak truth become revolutionaries. During times of universal deceit, there might be no completely true statements, but, certain statements are much truer than others. Considering this, I would believe Charles Manson before I believe a government worker.


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25 May 2015, 2:35 pm

This thread still needs another George Carlin clip...


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