The Bible. Myth or Reality?

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Ana, I'd agree that today is still a mess and turning on the news to so ISIS/ISIL in the middle-east, concerns about things like peak oil, pollution from an increasingly industrial world, possibility of us refining materials right up into the atmosphere and thrashing the ecosystem to where things get a lot worse - I couldn't agree more that it's all there, or additionally that the 'thin veneer' of society is largely that, ie. it could all get taken away from us again. This is where I consider that God is in control of the mess, that it's a classroom, and in particular I tend to think of just how many nukes have been out there for 60 or so years and no more Hiroshimas or Nagasakis have happened since (people almost see it as a mark of paranoia to be concerned over it) really suggests - over and above various country's national intelligence agencies - that something or someone else has been assisting in matters.

IMHO if God's plan is evolution and more importantly evolution here we'll have our hands forced somewhat in that direction, we won't be able to literally burn the world down even if it seems like we make it out just by the skin of our teeth in a lot of situations. In fact it wouldn't generate sincere anxiety, nor be the kind of thing that could shape, influence, or really challenge people, unless it was something that seemed like a very imminent possibility.

That's just my $.02 though.

Another point I completely forgot to make when referencing the basic grip on the 'why' of material optimism or the belief in the 'redemption of matter'. It's a big one and I can't believe I forgot to say something directly to this point.

The overall idea is that the collective unconscious or collective subconscious is the subconscious of our planet. When you really think about it our archetypal symbolism and imagery is of our planets cultures past and present and anything foreign to our planet in terms of ideas were likely brought here though the inner planes; even that seems to be done in extremely small and judicious doses through prophets, world-renowned philosophers and thinkers, etc. etc. when what we'd think of a new or original thought comes to the surface. If it were the subconscious of the entire solar system, galaxy, or universe constantly bombarding us I'd think that's where we might throw in the towel and say were screwed but there's not much to suggest that.

The point being though - evolution and moral growth of a single person has a significant effect because we're not suggesting that this influence or improvement on the earth needs to occur through external means they inspire enough people to be like them; that's on the table as a minor component but it's only that and usually only would come into play after they've had a far more significant effect at other levels and places. People who take their occult evolution seriously are like pool filters for the collective subconscious, helping to clean out the junk, reducing the general level of negative and caustic temptations that people run into overall, and ultimately lowering the depravity of the planet even if only by a small degree if that person's effort is taken on its own. Sincere and diligent efforts that people make to get themselves right with God as well as make the world a better place register lasting residual effect on the planetary akasha - or at least so the theory goes.

Being that we're highly evolved beings with intense reasoning and mental and physical creative faculties it means that to the planet earth that we live on we're a double-edged sword; on one hand the planet suffers a lot of our angst and like a personal subconscious has the proverbial memory of an elephant regardless of human incarnations and discarnations. Sometimes I can't help but feel like that drives some of the impetus behind old entrenched blood feuds that some people's in parts of the globe has where, if a tyrant is removed or if a political force that was chaperoning them is pulled away they start butchering each other as if the craving to do so had been building the entire time that the previous power was in place.

Regardless, if a person believes in the kinds of things like Jungian collective unconscious, planetary conscious, etc. it makes sense - it's different degrees of the same substance, ie. mind-stuff, interacting and exchanging data (the very large collective being modulated by perhaps the very small-in-comparison individual or somewhat small minority organization) but it all would have an impact.

Oops, oh, my goodness; I forget to answer the question.

There are elements of reason and myth in the bible.

But the overall truth is, the bible is a work of art coming
from the creative mind of human beings; per free verse
poetic expressions in parables, psalms, and such as that.

This creative mind that generally speaking is the 'right
brain' is more related to social cognition activities,
including cognitive and affective empathy,
music, and yes, art in general; as well
as connecting in sensual
ways of human
connection.

Unfortunately, in modern societies
as culture becomes more of a 'left
brained' way of mechanical cognition;
the development of the art of mind is
failing among the general populaces as humans
become more like machines than the balanced
connecting works of art they are overall evolved
to be. The overall result of this is humans are no
longer creating new ways of looking at the world in
artful ways of being. Instead, the words of others becomes
gold; including the works of art in the past; like the bible
in all its gold and tainted human art of life. That's a real
problem being stuck in the past; whether it is the bible, science,
or even the strangest of pagan and or occult beliefs. Truly Aleister
Crowley gets one thing correct. Human relative free will with LOVE
in do as thou wilt; instead of following the rules of times gone past,
is the way of true freedom of human expression. I thrive as I do not
limit my learning to any avenue; any TYPE of person; per standard IQ
or anything else. This world is big and everyone has something worth
while to say; for those who listen, learn, and do learn something, at
least, from the greatest to the least; where the meek often
have the greatest lessons of all to learn
about a simple life
of LOVE and
HUMAN RELATIVE
FREE WILL IN MIND
AND BODY
BALANCE;
like the other
really smart
animals who
live this
way.

The rest of it; most of it
anyway; as far as intellectual
pursuits; is mental masturbation
by the time the game of love is over
for the time
being
now
in human
relative free
WILL.

But yeah
'THAT'S FUN TOO..

People will not
STOP that either..

ANA. As I understand early gnostic history, there was little debate about Jesus as a man. The whole "Jesus as Incarnate god" came a little later, followed by the idea that he never entered the material realm. As for Mani and his followers, as far as I am aware it is not Jesus birth that they are concerned about, rather they see him as a false prophet, so I don't really understand what you are trying to say by this "And Mani believed Jesus to never have been birthed. Many Gnostics could not stand the idea of giving physical birth so they would never say Christos was physically born into this world". From what I can tell Mani thought of Jesus as a living breathing person.

Okay... this thread now clearly needs a "all Christian holidays originated from Pagan-Festivals" video...