Why Britons more eager to see Prince William as heir?

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05 Jun 2015, 10:54 pm

The British Monarchs still have reserve powers under their constitution.


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In the UK, the Monarch has numerous theoretical personal prerogatives. In practice however, except for the appointment of a prime minister there are few circumstances in modern British government where these could be justifiably exercised; they have rarely been exercised in the last century. The full extent of the Sovereign's prerogatives has never been fully disclosed; however in 2004 the Government made public the following prerogatives:

To refuse to dissolve Parliament when requested by the Prime Minister. This was last reputedly considered in 1910, but George V later changed his mind. See Lascelles Principles.
To appoint a Prime Minister of her [his] own choosing. This was last done in Britain in 1963 when Elizabeth II appointed Sir Alec Douglas-Home as Prime Minister, on the advice of outgoing Harold Macmillan.
To dismiss a Prime Minister and his or her Government on the Monarch's own authority. This was last done in Britain in 1834 by King William IV.
To summon and prorogue parliament
To command the Armed Forces
To dismiss and appoint Ministers
To commission officers in the Armed Forces
To appoint Queen's Counsel
To issue and withdraw passports
To create corporations via Charter
To appoint Bishops and Archbishops of the Church of England
To grant honours
The power to grant Prerogative of Mercy
To refuse the Royal Assent, last exercised by Queen Anne when she withheld Royal Assent from the Scottish Militia Bill 1708.
The power to declare War and Peace
The power to deploy the Armed Forces overseas
The power to ratify and make treaties

To refuse the "Queen's [King's] Consent", where direct monarchical assent is required for a bill affecting, directly or by implication, the prerogative, hereditary revenues—including ultimus haeres, treasure trove, and bona vacantia—or the personal property or interests of the Crown to be heard in Parliament. In 1999, Queen Elizabeth II, acting on the advice of the government, refused to signify her consent to the Military Action Against Iraq (Parliamentary Approval) Bill, which sought to transfer from the monarch to Parliament the power to authorise military strikes against Iraq.
These powers could be exercised in an emergency such as a constitutional crisis (such as surrounded the People's Budget of 1909), or in wartime. They would also be very relevant in the event of a hung parliament.

For example, in the hung parliament in 1974, the serving Prime Minister Edward Heath attempted to remain in power but was unable to form a working majority. The Queen then asked Harold Wilson, leader of the Labour Party, which had the largest number of seats in the Commons but not an overall majority, to attempt to form a government. Subsequently Wilson asked that if the government were defeated on the floor of the House of Commons, the Queen would grant a dissolution, which she agreed to.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reserve_po ... ed_Kingdom


So the reigning Queen or King still has actual constitutional powers for the time being.

The reason why no one likes Charles is due to the following:

1) He is dull to the point of insulting
2) He doesn't care for the people
3) He is very unnatural at interacting with the people
4) He doesn't like being in public that much
5) He doesn't relate to the people
6) He was educated in the palace instead of being at school
7) He just doesn't get people
8) He is stiff in this appearance
9) He conforms to the stereotypical royal fashion
10) He married the Diana, who became the most popular Princess in the past few hundred years, largely in part because she loved mingling and helping the people.
11) He was a bad husband to Diana
12) He cheated on Diana
13) He divorced Diana to marry that Camilla (who he was cheating with)
14) He was a distant father to his kids
15) He wasn't seen with them too often
16) He regularly was seen correcting Diana and his kids in front of the press, to make sure they were acting all royal
17) He didn't seem phased by Diana's sudden death and wasn't comforting his kids even on camera
18) He married Camilla, after his mother finally relented begrudgingly
19) He is gaffe prone
20) Despite the best of intentions, he screwed up hugely

The Queen:

1) She was/is very independent minded
2) She was a good big sister even on camera
3) She was a good princess to her father, who unexpectedly became Crown Prince and then King
4) She stayed in London against her father's wishes during WWII including the Bombing of London
5) She was regularly on air talking to her fellow kids during WWII
6) She literally raised funds and aid during WWII
7) She literally stayed in the Subway during the bombings of WWII with her fellow citizens.
8) She literally served them food and blankets during WWII
9) She was an actual mechanic during WWII, fixing actual vehicles for the military.
10) She was openly seen with her friends in public
11) She enjoys seeing her fellow citizens
12) She actively engaged in politics, even choosing a different Prime Minister against the will of Westminster
13) She openly dismissed a government
14) She enjoys going out in public and sneaking into other people's pictures, surprising them
15) She allows people to tweet pictures of her
16) Many other things

William:

1) He went to private school with non royal and noble kids
2) He engaged his fellow students
3) Him and his brother regularly helped their mother do charity work
4) He loves going out and engaging the people
5) He actually has personality
6) He isn't gaffe prone like his dad
7) He went to public university
8) He actually did real military work
9) He did real work
10) He regularly does charity work
11) He aslo engages in politics
12) He engages in protests alongside commoners
13) He literally spent a whole day and night on a street in London with other protesters protesting something hurting the poor. He nearly was ran over by street cleaner doing it.
14) He's a decent speaker
15) He isn't rigid like his dad
16) He acts like real person, not as royal
17) He does normal people stuff including playing video games and posting on Facebook.
18) He has a twitter account where he actually talks to people
19) He married a woman, who shares his values and love of people
20) He lost his mother as a child, devastating him and his brother.
21) He came from parents who had a broken marriage and divorced, they also all lived in the same palace.
22) He has two young kids
23) HE LITERALLY IS A REAL PARENT AND IS NOT AFRAID TO BE THAT WAY IN PUBLIC
24) He is open about everything
25) He is himself in front of the public
26) He isn't ashamed to kiss his own son in public
27) His wife had their kids in real hospital were real people were also having kids
28) He had some trouble getting his newborn son in the car properly while press filmed it.
29) He let his son be a kid on camera instead of making him all proper
30) He plans to send his son to real preschool and school instead of keeping him in the palace.

yeah.. who wouldn't want a real person being the king?


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06 Jun 2015, 6:13 am

xenocity wrote:
The British Monarchs still have reserve powers under their constitution.


From Wikipedia: [snip]


Yes, it's public knowledge what the theoretical powers of the Queen are. That's not what was being discussed.



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06 Jun 2015, 8:36 am

xenocity wrote:
The reason why no one likes Charles is due to the following:

1) He is dull to the point of insulting
2) He doesn't care for the people
3) He is very unnatural at interacting with the people
4) He doesn't like being in public that much
5) He doesn't relate to the people
6) He was educated in the palace instead of being at school
7) He just doesn't get people
8) He is stiff in this appearance
9) He conforms to the stereotypical royal fashion
10) He married the Diana, who became the most popular Princess in the past few hundred years, largely in part because she loved mingling and helping the people.
11) He was a bad husband to Diana
12) He cheated on Diana
13) He divorced Diana to marry that Camilla (who he was cheating with)
14) He was a distant father to his kids
15) He wasn't seen with them too often
16) He regularly was seen correcting Diana and his kids in front of the press, to make sure they were acting all royal
17) He didn't seem phased by Diana's sudden death and wasn't comforting his kids even on camera
18) He married Camilla, after his mother finally relented begrudgingly
19) He is gaffe prone
20) Despite the best of intentions, he screwed up hugely


I'm not one to normally defend Charles. But 6 is just not true and 2, 4, 7, 9, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18 are disputable or not that accurate.

In fact part of the reason why people don't like him is he was not the royal people expected him to be.

Honestly people don't care the much about the divorce, some people do, but it is just not big news anymore.

I think he probably does care a bit for young people, through his Prince's Trust scheme. Whether he gets them is another matter, but you could say that for most of the royals. In a way he is criticized for being a bit of a hipster, and pushing his view on homeopathy, architecture, farming and ecology.

He is is part of the story that makes Harry and William popular. That story is hardly dull. You could say he played a critical role in that.



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06 Jun 2015, 8:38 am

adifferentname wrote:
Well it'd require something of a political reformation, but the simplest option would be the current PM.


That defeats the whole point of a Prime/First Minister.



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07 Jun 2015, 10:48 am

0_equals_true wrote:
adifferentname wrote:
Well it'd require something of a political reformation, but the simplest option would be the current PM.


That defeats the whole point of a Prime/First Minister.


It's a fairly pointless position anyway.



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07 Jun 2015, 10:55 am

The Queen has a strong, even bossy character. The story our lovable Tony went for an audience with Her Majesty and started gassing on in his usual manner at which prompted the response, "I ask the questions Mr Blair."



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07 Jun 2015, 2:50 pm

Grebels wrote:
The Queen has a strong, even bossy character. The story our lovable Tony went for an audience with Her Majesty and started gassing on in his usual manner at which prompted the response, "I ask the questions Mr Blair."

Any evidence this took place? Highly doubtful. In any case Prime Ministers can meet the Queen in confidence.



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07 Jun 2015, 2:52 pm

adifferentname wrote:
0_equals_true wrote:
adifferentname wrote:
Well it'd require something of a political reformation, but the simplest option would be the current PM.


That defeats the whole point of a Prime/First Minister.


It's a fairly pointless position anyway.


Prime Minister is a better idea than executive Presidential power. That is the whole thread of the Westminster system.



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07 Jun 2015, 4:16 pm

I ask the questions Mr. Blair was from a movie script. My words are not accurate.



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07 Jun 2015, 6:45 pm

xenocity wrote:
The reason why no one likes Charles is due to the following:

1) He is dull to the point of insulting
2) He doesn't care for the people
3) He is very unnatural at interacting with the people
4) He doesn't like being in public that much
5) He doesn't relate to the people
7) He just doesn't get people
8) He is stiff in this appearance
9) He conforms to the stereotypical royal fashion
14) He was a distant father to his kids
15) He wasn't seen with them too often
16) He regularly was seen correcting Diana and his kids in front of the press, to make sure they were acting all royal
17) He didn't seem phased by Diana's sudden death and wasn't comforting his kids even on camera
19) He is gaffe prone
20) Despite the best of intentions, he screwed up hugely


So he is not liked because of his Autistic or Autistic like traits and how they are perceived?


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08 Jun 2015, 4:03 am

ASPartOfMe wrote:
xenocity wrote:
The reason why no one likes Charles is due to the following:

1) He is dull to the point of insulting
2) He doesn't care for the people
3) He is very unnatural at interacting with the people
4) He doesn't like being in public that much
5) He doesn't relate to the people
7) He just doesn't get people
8) He is stiff in this appearance
9) He conforms to the stereotypical royal fashion
14) He was a distant father to his kids
15) He wasn't seen with them too often
16) He regularly was seen correcting Diana and his kids in front of the press, to make sure they were acting all royal
17) He didn't seem phased by Diana's sudden death and wasn't comforting his kids even on camera
19) He is gaffe prone
20) Despite the best of intentions, he screwed up hugely


So he is not liked because of his Autistic or Autistic like traits and how they are perceived?


So you say that Prince Charles are Aspie, so he should be king we should support our kind, not his NTs sons :mrgreen:



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15 Jun 2015, 5:03 pm

I don't. In fact, I would like nothing more than to see the institution of the monarchy destroyed and the royal family to just be regular citizens.