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Rodey316
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24 Jun 2015, 9:31 am

Some people on the internet suggest that not only are there different types of autism (which is definitely true), but there are also eight sub-types of Asperger's syndrome. They are the Einstein sub-type, the Powell sub-type, the Spielberg sub-type, the Numan sub-type, the Morrissey sub-type, the Nicholls sub-type, the Carroll sub-type, and the Warhol sub-type.
Here are the descriptions of these "sub-types" of A.S.

Einstein:
Type of A.S with above average IQ and exemplary spelling/grammar skills. Good with computers, specializes in a special interest to the point of expertise, and a person with this tends to be on the argumentative side.

Powell:
Characterized by violent, aggressive, and hostile behavior; person with this is often the victim of bullying and may abuse drugs to relieve the stress; has traits of Bipolar Disorder and Post Traumatic Stress Disorder

Spielberg:
A person with this type has an IQ within the average zone, is very outgoing, and athletic but has below-average spelling and grammar skills

Numan:
Person with this tends to space out a lot or daydream, finds it challenging to understand others, and is frequently misunderstood by others as a result of that. Displays potential issues pertaining to bonding and may have Bipolar Disorder

Morrissey:
Unique, individualistic, creative, artistic; person feels alienated/isolated by others; possible schizophrenia may accompany the A.S; person is virtually an outcast by society

Nicholls:
Hyperactive, full of energy, and very outgoing personality; does not struggle whatsoever with making friends but has problems with maintaining friendships; tend to be deemed as immature and/or annoying by others; no social anxiety; likely has ADHD

Carroll:
Always likes to follow the rules; is quite introverted and on the quiet side, are likely targets of bullying; deeply indulges in their special interest; rarely display emotions but have issues pertaining to anxiety pestering them on the inside

Warhol:
Narcissistic, confident, and egomaniac are some of the words to describe this A.S personality; is friendly in formal occasions but suffers from bitterness and pursues revenge on those who may cause problems in their life

Do you think that these sub-types are necessary or do you think they make the diagnostic criteria for A.S more complicated than it should be? In my opinion, a lot of people are probably going to be a mixture of these sub-types, so it could get very confusing. Everybody is different whether or not they have Asperger's syndrome, so the list of sub-types could expand exponentially due to the fact that there will be a lot of mixed sub-types in people.



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24 Jun 2015, 9:58 am

For what purpose? I can see it being useful if you can get an exact diagnoses to know exactly what you are up against, but who will pay for that much testing?

http://www.ninds.nih.gov/disorders/moto ... seases.htm
You find a similar situation with motor neuron diseases--there are really a lot of them. But, even with genetic testing, it can be hard to get a diagnosis of what you really have.



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24 Jun 2015, 12:02 pm

Another label? With names from famous people who have not confirmed that they're autistic? I don't really like to theorise. It doesn't help us at all. It doesn't help the debate. It won't get us anything that would go towards having a good job, good education and good care.



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24 Jun 2015, 12:57 pm

I'm not sure I'd go with those exact types, and probably not with those names, but I would absolutely be for bringing Asperger's back to the DSM and have it categorized in different types.
I think it would be hard to make correct types though and many will be a bit of this and that. Some will always fall between the categories, unless there are a lot of categories.
Personally I like categorizing things like that, so I would like it a lot.


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24 Jun 2015, 1:21 pm

Did you come up with this yourself? Aspergers is itself is a subtype on the Autism Spectrum, I'm not sure about your list as I thought social deficit was kind of one of the main criteria for diagnosis. Like if your socially outgoing and have no trouble with relationships then I'd say you're probably NT or have some other issue.



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24 Jun 2015, 1:34 pm

Skilpadde wrote:
I'm not sure I'd go with those exact types, and probably not with those names, but I would absolutely be for bringing Asperger's back to the DSM and have it categorized in different types.
I think it would be hard to make correct types though and many will be a bit of this and that. Some will always fall between the categories, unless there are a lot of categories.
Personally I like categorizing things like that, so I would like it a lot.


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24 Jun 2015, 1:44 pm

It's an interesting idea just to be able to understand how many ways a person can present.



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24 Jun 2015, 2:05 pm

No, Jacoby, I did not come up with this list. I agree, some of these are pretty contradictory.



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24 Jun 2015, 2:10 pm

Confusing. Very confusing. :?


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24 Jun 2015, 2:27 pm

Rodey316 wrote:
No, Jacoby, I did not come up with this list. I agree, some of these are pretty contradictory.



Quote:
Nicholls:
Hyperactive, full of energy, and very outgoing personality; does not struggle whatsoever with making friends but has problems with maintaining friendships; tend to be deemed as immature and/or annoying by others; no social anxiety; likely has ADHD


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Spielberg:
A person with this type has an IQ within the average zone, is very outgoing, and athletic but has below-average spelling and grammar skills


Yeah like these 2 just sound like someone with ADHD and someone that isn't a good at writing for whatever reason.

What binds these all together is my question. I guess I'd have to ask the author.



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24 Jun 2015, 3:29 pm

Maybe there are nine types, including the Magneto type. I don't fit the other eight.



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24 Jun 2015, 4:05 pm

Personality types have nothing to do with diagnosis. In my opinion the 4 subtypes of:"Aloof", "Passive", "Active and odd" and "Overly formal" are enough if someone wants to specify their diagnosis.

I am "Active and odd" subtype. I would be Einstein+Numan+Nicholls in your scale. I will not be like this all the time but get me interested in something and I will for example do the teachers job in my classroom by walking and explaining the whole thing to any classmate who doesn't understand. Without being asked for help, lol.
My dad (although am still not sure if he is in the spectrum) seems to be "Overly formal" subtype and he would be Powell, Carroll and especially Warhol.



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24 Jun 2015, 11:19 pm

Skilpadde wrote:
I'm not sure I'd go with those exact types, and probably not with those names, but I would absolutely be for bringing Asperger's back to the DSM and have it categorized in different types.
I think it would be hard to make correct types though and many will be a bit of this and that. Some will always fall between the categories, unless there are a lot of categories.
Personally I like categorizing things like that, so I would like it a lot.

I'm all for throwing out the toilet paper known as the DSM, along with the APA, as they haven't seem to come very far since diagnosing homosexuality in the DSM as a mental illness.

Removing Asperger's was quite foolish, as there are obvious differences.

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By the way, I don't fit any of those types.



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25 Jun 2015, 1:35 am

Moromillas wrote:
Removing Asperger's was quite foolish, as there are obvious differences.


It was a deliberate effort to cut costs.
A Specialists’ Debate on Autism Has Many Worried Observers New York Times January 20, 2012
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“We have to make sure not everybody who is a little odd gets a diagnosis of autism or Asperger disorder,” said Dr. David J. Kupfer, a professor of psychiatry at the University of Pittsburgh and chairman of the task force making the revisions, which are still subject to change. “It involves a use of treatment resources. It becomes a cost issue.”


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26 Jun 2015, 3:54 am

ASPartOfMe wrote:
Moromillas wrote:
Removing Asperger's was quite foolish, as there are obvious differences.


It was a deliberate effort to cut costs.
A Specialists’ Debate on Autism Has Many Worried Observers New York Times January 20, 2012
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“We have to make sure not everybody who is a little odd gets a diagnosis of autism or Asperger disorder,” said Dr. David J. Kupfer, a professor of psychiatry at the University of Pittsburgh and chairman of the task force making the revisions, which are still subject to change. “It involves a use of treatment resources. It becomes a cost issue.”


Bolding is mine

Money.

You know, I'm not really that surprised.