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06 Jul 2015, 5:29 pm

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...there's like 4 mentions of grandparents in those laws.

That is all we need.
and what about the states that aren't Utah?

Ask them.


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06 Jul 2015, 5:40 pm

AspieUtah wrote:
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...there's like 4 mentions of grandparents in those laws.

That is all we need.
and what about the states that aren't Utah?

Ask them.
I'm asking the person making the claim(that's you)



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06 Jul 2015, 5:59 pm

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...there's like 4 mentions of grandparents in those laws.
That is all we need.
and what about the states that aren't Utah?

Ask them.
I'm asking the person making the claim(that's you)
As with all my posts, they reflect the laws with which I am most familiar (Utah and United States). I recognize that such a restriction provides a limited application, but it explains that, within the United States, there are laws which provide more child-custody alternatives than your example did.
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...if a monogamous marriage with kids breaks up, it's husband vs wife on who might get the kids. with a polygamous marriage you've got however many parents for the kids, and it becomes wife vs wife vs wife vs husband when divorce rolls around.
That would be no different than when four grandparents and a few aunts and uncles get involved in child custody during or after a divorce where one or both parents are determined to have mistreated the child(ren). Besides, in my state, at least, apart from any law which would remove children from one or more parents, children remain with their biological parents if such parents exist.


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06 Jul 2015, 6:20 pm

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Go play with your guns...

Did he touch a nerve?

No, I'm simply tired of his wasting time showing off his arsenal...
What nerve would that be?

Autistic person in "talking about thing that interests them" scandal...
more like "white noise poster gets called out for same"

And which "white noise" poster would that be?


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06 Jul 2015, 7:54 pm

Raptor wrote:
Fugu wrote:
The_Walrus wrote:
pcuser wrote:
AspieUtah wrote:
pcuser wrote:
Go play with your guns...

Did he touch a nerve?

No, I'm simply tired of his wasting time showing off his arsenal...
What nerve would that be?

Autistic person in "talking about thing that interests them" scandal...
more like "white noise poster gets called out for same"

And which "white noise" poster would that be?
the same one who pretended he was a nazi to his coworker i imagine.



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06 Jul 2015, 8:09 pm

Fugu wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Fugu wrote:
The_Walrus wrote:
pcuser wrote:
AspieUtah wrote:
pcuser wrote:
Go play with your guns...

Did he touch a nerve?

No, I'm simply tired of his wasting time showing off his arsenal...
What nerve would that be?

Autistic person in "talking about thing that interests them" scandal...
more like "white noise poster gets called out for same"

And which "white noise" poster would that be?
the same one who pretended he was a nazi to his coworker i imagine.

Oh, that one!
Yes, he's really naughty and something should be done about him.
:P


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06 Jul 2015, 10:51 pm

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Nobody is forcing "same-sex" marriage on anyone; simply giving gays the right to marry -- big difference between that and how some conservative Christians seek to impose their morality of others.


Well, actually they are forcing it on to us. They may now tell people that churches and other organisations that perform marriages will still have the freedom to reject what they call 'gay marriage', but if the history of such movements is anything to go by (and it is), within a couple of years they will be screaming "BIGOTRY!" at anyone who, in clear conscience, finds such... 'arrangements', let's call them, objectionable and wrong. Then will come the laws that will prohibit the free expression of opposition to these so-called marriages.



If you honestly believe that in this country, the law can compell clergy to perform religious ceremonies, you're going to need a thicker tinfoil hat.


Which country are we talking about here? At the moment where I am - Australia, not the U.S. - we are undergoing a concerted and highly co-ordinated offensive by the 'gay marriage' lobby in politics, academia and the media. The bombardment of pro-marriage propaganda would make Goebbels proud (ex. the patently false claim that about 72% of the general public supports the notion). They are trying to force people into accepting it, and calling opponents 'bigots' for simply standing up for what is right. The same thing happened with the CO2 tax we had here, based as it was upon the patently silly notion that the Earth is warming due to the development of industry, even though there is NO, and there never has been, any evidence for it. People were, and still are, called 'deniers' simply because they would not swallow the B.S. and had the sense to question what they were hearing.



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06 Jul 2015, 11:03 pm

Lintar wrote:
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Nobody is forcing "same-sex" marriage on anyone; simply giving gays the right to marry -- big difference between that and how some conservative Christians seek to impose their morality of others.


Well, actually they are forcing it on to us. They may now tell people that churches and other organisations that perform marriages will still have the freedom to reject what they call 'gay marriage', but if the history of such movements is anything to go by (and it is), within a couple of years they will be screaming "BIGOTRY!" at anyone who, in clear conscience, finds such... 'arrangements', let's call them, objectionable and wrong. Then will come the laws that will prohibit the free expression of opposition to these so-called marriages.



If you honestly believe that in this country, the law can compell clergy to perform religious ceremonies, you're going to need a thicker tinfoil hat.


Which country are we talking about here? At the moment where I am - Australia, not the U.S. - we are undergoing a concerted and highly co-ordinated offensive by the 'gay marriage' lobby in politics, academia and the media. The bombardment of pro-marriage propaganda would make Goebbels proud (ex. the patently false claim that about 72% of the general public supports the notion). They are trying to force people into accepting it, and calling opponents 'bigots' for simply standing up for what is right. The same thing happened with the CO2 tax we had here, based as it was upon the patently silly notion that the Earth is warming due to the development of industry, even though there is NO, and there never has been, any evidence for it. People were, and still are, called 'deniers' simply because they would not swallow the B.S. and had the sense to question what they were hearing.
how nice that you're set on treating people like second class citizens, and that you are ignorant of climate science yet act like you know. probably soon australia will be left as one of the only first world countries with inequality within it's borders, what a shame.



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06 Jul 2015, 11:25 pm

Wait, a guy who's ignorant of what he's talking about has a strong opinion anyways and won't listen to people who actually know the subject? Why does that sound so familiar?


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06 Jul 2015, 11:34 pm

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Wait, a guy who's ignorant of what he's talking about has a strong opinion anyways and won't listen to people who actually know the subject? Why does that sound so familiar?
now all we need is someone to continually move the goalposts and we'll have a matching set of threads. wowee



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06 Jul 2015, 11:37 pm

Fugu wrote:
Lintar wrote:
blauSamstag wrote:
Lintar wrote:
VegetableMan wrote:
Nobody is forcing "same-sex" marriage on anyone; simply giving gays the right to marry -- big difference between that and how some conservative Christians seek to impose their morality of others.


Well, actually they are forcing it on to us. They may now tell people that churches and other organisations that perform marriages will still have the freedom to reject what they call 'gay marriage', but if the history of such movements is anything to go by (and it is), within a couple of years they will be screaming "BIGOTRY!" at anyone who, in clear conscience, finds such... 'arrangements', let's call them, objectionable and wrong. Then will come the laws that will prohibit the free expression of opposition to these so-called marriages.



If you honestly believe that in this country, the law can compell clergy to perform religious ceremonies, you're going to need a thicker tinfoil hat.


Which country are we talking about here? At the moment where I am - Australia, not the U.S. - we are undergoing a concerted and highly co-ordinated offensive by the 'gay marriage' lobby in politics, academia and the media. The bombardment of pro-marriage propaganda would make Goebbels proud (ex. the patently false claim that about 72% of the general public supports the notion). They are trying to force people into accepting it, and calling opponents 'bigots' for simply standing up for what is right. The same thing happened with the CO2 tax we had here, based as it was upon the patently silly notion that the Earth is warming due to the development of industry, even though there is NO, and there never has been, any evidence for it. People were, and still are, called 'deniers' simply because they would not swallow the B.S. and had the sense to question what they were hearing.
how nice that you're set on treating people like second class citizens, and that you are ignorant of climate science yet act like you know. probably soon australia will be left as one of the only first world countries with inequality within it's borders, what a shame.


Fugu, the global warming alarm is nothing but a money-making, tax-raising scam. There is no 'science' within it to refute, it is based upon lies (ex. since 1998 there has been no overall increase in mean global temperatures, in spite of the fact that CO2 has consistently risen to ever higher levels since, thanks largely to the Chinese economy developing as rapidly as it has, and yet the fear-mongers like to downplay this inconvenient fact).



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06 Jul 2015, 11:40 pm

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how nice that you're set on treating people like second class citizens, and that you are ignorant of climate science yet act like you know. probably soon australia will be left as one of the only first world countries with inequality within it's borders, what a shame.


Fugu, the global warming alarm is nothing but a money-making, tax-raising scam. There is no 'science' within it to refute, it is based upon lies (ex. since 1998 there has been no overall increase in mean global temperatures, in spite of the fact that CO2 has consistently risen to ever higher levels since, thanks largely to the Chinese economy developing as rapidly as it has, and yet the fear-mongers like to downplay this inconvenient fact).
Ok, where's your proof for it being a scam then?



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06 Jul 2015, 11:47 pm

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Fugu, the global warming alarm is nothing but a money-making, tax-raising scam. There is no 'science' within it to refute, it is based upon lies (ex. since 1998 there has been no overall increase in mean global temperatures, in spite of the fact that CO2 has consistently risen to ever higher levels since, thanks largely to the Chinese economy developing as rapidly as it has, and yet the fear-mongers like to downplay this inconvenient fact).


Actually, that's been disproven.

http://www.theenergycollective.com/henr ... ing-hiatus

And despite what you may want to believe, when 98% of scientists agree, it's probably not a scam.

You may believe that we are just on an up-swing in a natural cycle of climate fluctuation. You may not believe in specific theories of climate change.

But if you are really skeptical, perhaps you should find someone who grows crops for a living, and talk to them about growing conditions over the last 40 years.



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06 Jul 2015, 11:51 pm

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Fugu, the global warming alarm is nothing but a money-making, tax-raising scam. There is no 'science' within it to refute, it is based upon lies (ex. since 1998 there has been no overall increase in mean global temperatures, in spite of the fact that CO2 has consistently risen to ever higher levels since, thanks largely to the Chinese economy developing as rapidly as it has, and yet the fear-mongers like to downplay this inconvenient fact).


Goddard Institute for Space Studies wrote:
While average global temperature will still fluctuate from year to year, scientists focus on the decadal trend. Nine of the 10 warmest years since 1880 have occurred since the year 2000


Source: NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies



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07 Jul 2015, 12:03 am

Lintar wrote:
Fugu wrote:
Lintar wrote:
blauSamstag wrote:
Lintar wrote:
VegetableMan wrote:
Nobody is forcing "same-sex" marriage on anyone; simply giving gays the right to marry -- big difference between that and how some conservative Christians seek to impose their morality of others.


Well, actually they are forcing it on to us. They may now tell people that churches and other organisations that perform marriages will still have the freedom to reject what they call 'gay marriage', but if the history of such movements is anything to go by (and it is), within a couple of years they will be screaming "BIGOTRY!" at anyone who, in clear conscience, finds such... 'arrangements', let's call them, objectionable and wrong. Then will come the laws that will prohibit the free expression of opposition to these so-called marriages.



If you honestly believe that in this country, the law can compell clergy to perform religious ceremonies, you're going to need a thicker tinfoil hat.


Which country are we talking about here? At the moment where I am - Australia, not the U.S. - we are undergoing a concerted and highly co-ordinated offensive by the 'gay marriage' lobby in politics, academia and the media. The bombardment of pro-marriage propaganda would make Goebbels proud (ex. the patently false claim that about 72% of the general public supports the notion). They are trying to force people into accepting it, and calling opponents 'bigots' for simply standing up for what is right. The same thing happened with the CO2 tax we had here, based as it was upon the patently silly notion that the Earth is warming due to the development of industry, even though there is NO, and there never has been, any evidence for it. People were, and still are, called 'deniers' simply because they would not swallow the B.S. and had the sense to question what they were hearing.
how nice that you're set on treating people like second class citizens, and that you are ignorant of climate science yet act like you know. probably soon australia will be left as one of the only first world countries with inequality within it's borders, what a shame.


Fugu, the global warming alarm is nothing but a money-making, tax-raising scam. There is no 'science' within it to refute, it is based upon lies (ex. since 1998 there has been no overall increase in mean global temperatures, in spite of the fact that CO2 has consistently risen to ever higher levels since, thanks largely to the Chinese economy developing as rapidly as it has, and yet the fear-mongers like to downplay this inconvenient fact).


99% of scientists would disagree with you about global warming being a hoax. But then again, the right never has been a home for science and learning. Rather, it's the political movement that props up ridiculous pseudoscience that teaches that evolution is a hoax.
As for your earlier post concerning gay marriage being forced down our throats by calling anyone opposed to it bigots - I believe the same charge was leveled by the opponents of civil rights and interracial marriage.


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07 Jul 2015, 3:10 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
Lintar wrote:
Fugu wrote:
Lintar wrote:
blauSamstag wrote:
Lintar wrote:
VegetableMan wrote:
Nobody is forcing "same-sex" marriage on anyone; simply giving gays the right to marry -- big difference between that and how some conservative Christians seek to impose their morality of others.


Well, actually they are forcing it on to us. They may now tell people that churches and other organisations that perform marriages will still have the freedom to reject what they call 'gay marriage', but if the history of such movements is anything to go by (and it is), within a couple of years they will be screaming "BIGOTRY!" at anyone who, in clear conscience, finds such... 'arrangements', let's call them, objectionable and wrong. Then will come the laws that will prohibit the free expression of opposition to these so-called marriages.



If you honestly believe that in this country, the law can compell clergy to perform religious ceremonies, you're going to need a thicker tinfoil hat.


Which country are we talking about here? At the moment where I am - Australia, not the U.S. - we are undergoing a concerted and highly co-ordinated offensive by the 'gay marriage' lobby in politics, academia and the media. The bombardment of pro-marriage propaganda would make Goebbels proud (ex. the patently false claim that about 72% of the general public supports the notion). They are trying to force people into accepting it, and calling opponents 'bigots' for simply standing up for what is right. The same thing happened with the CO2 tax we had here, based as it was upon the patently silly notion that the Earth is warming due to the development of industry, even though there is NO, and there never has been, any evidence for it. People were, and still are, called 'deniers' simply because they would not swallow the B.S. and had the sense to question what they were hearing.
how nice that you're set on treating people like second class citizens, and that you are ignorant of climate science yet act like you know. probably soon australia will be left as one of the only first world countries with inequality within it's borders, what a shame.


Fugu, the global warming alarm is nothing but a money-making, tax-raising scam. There is no 'science' within it to refute, it is based upon lies (ex. since 1998 there has been no overall increase in mean global temperatures, in spite of the fact that CO2 has consistently risen to ever higher levels since, thanks largely to the Chinese economy developing as rapidly as it has, and yet the fear-mongers like to downplay this inconvenient fact).


99% of scientists would disagree with you about global warming being a hoax. But then again, the right never has been a home for science and learning. Rather, it's the political movement that props up ridiculous pseudoscience that teaches that evolution is a hoax.
As for your earlier post concerning gay marriage being forced down our throats by calling anyone opposed to it bigots - I believe the same charge was leveled by the opponents of civil rights and interracial marriage.


99%? I have serious problems believing the numbers being claimed.

For what it's worth, from http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/07/07/deniers-in-their-midst-all-is-not-well-in-nobel-prize-land/:
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A couple of days ago we reported on the Mainau Nobel Conference, on Friday, 3 July, over 30 Nobel laureates assembled on Mainau Island on Lake Constance signed a declaration on climate change. Problem was, there were 65 attendees, and only 30 signed the declaration. As is typical of the supression of the alternate views on climate, we never heard the opinion of the 35 who were in the majority.


Maybe under the New Math, 30 is 99% of 65.