The 2016 Republican Field

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Some sections of the border are walled. California is mostly wall. The Border Patrol does not work for free.

A lot of the border through Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, has listening devices buried, that can recognize all the locals vehicles. In some places they listen for the sound of tunnels being dug. There is also night vision and drones.

A whole lot of people are caught crossing the border. Detaining them is expensive. Picked up a mile from the border, it can take years to deport them.

A wall is cheaper than millions in detention, court costs, appointed lawyers. Of those who get through, a lot are serving long prison terms for violent felonies. Besides prison costs, a quarter million for ten years, there was the cost to the victim of the violent felony.

From the pictures of overcrowded California prisons, the majority seem to be of Mexican decent.

Building a wall is cheap compared to the costs we are paying now, which have been going up.

Making it impossible for illegals to live here only takes checking ID, with an instant deportation for those who cannot prove a legal right to be here.

When the police stop me they demand ID, and if I do not have it it is a trip to jail. Illegals have a special deal?

When you cannot rent a house, register a vehicle, or send money out of the country without ID, it will be less possible to be an illegal. Alabama did this, lots of people left.

We do have a fairly open border, lots of people come over just to go shopping. It is easy to get a tourist visa.

Those who cross in the desert at night could not face the Mexican Border Police, warrants, jail breaks, or the American side, has been deported many times, Felon, not a Mexican.

Robbery, rape, murder follow the migrant trail. Often the victim is a migrant. Often along railroad tracks there is evidence, blood, DNA, fingerprints, that do not show up in our database. Just a new citizen showing up leaving a trail of destruction. The same DNA, fingerprints at many crimes, till some felony arrest matches it to an illegal.

The social cost of illegals is high. Walls are cheap.

Gotta say, I'm sure looking forward to taconacht.

The Atlantic: Can the Republican Party Survive Trump?

Interesting article ^

As a former Republican ( I'm a conservative with libertarian leanings ) I welcome the destruction of the GOP. They are not relevant any more, nor are they a viable alternative to rampant 'liberalism'.

The Republican Party deserves to die. Money buys an establishment that runs a program that is not what the voters want.

The public, not just Republicans, has a majority that call for ending immigration, or only letting the highly skilled in, shutting down the borders, and getting rid of illegals. About 57% of a broad recent poll.

The Party takes money from chicken farmers, slaughter houses, meat packing, and lawyers. All of them are making bank on illegals.

To get Party support, the appointment of Ambassadors becomes a Party Right. There are a lot of appointed positions, that is where the money and payoffs are. I remember Brownie as head of FEMA who could not even find New Orleans. I am sure he did find a lot of money for the Party.

Who will head the Department of Labor is worth a lot to business.

Trump scares them because he could appoint anyone, who might just fire people who do nothing.

People who could not teach Middle School, get high government position's. Once employed it becomes lifetime.

Who in government service gets promoted has to do with political appointments.

In the south Fundies takeover the School Boards, University Boards, and control education. They might control the do nothing Department of Education. The whole thing is a political payoff.

Trump doing what the voters want is their worst nightmare. Trump would appoint people who could do the job.

Birthright Citizenship is another issue Trump got from the American People, who by a majority do not think it should apply to tourists and illegals.

Not enforcing the laws is another form of payoff.

Everyone with eyes can see that there are a lot more Mexicans around, working on more jobs. Thirty million illegals get noticed.

The INS, The Department of Labor, seem blind. The Building trades pay to import illegals.

Republicans and Democrats are the sides of a coin. They split up government jobs.

When computers hit it reduced manpower in every industry, except government, where head count went up.

Trump is a threat to the whole system.

This is what the American People want.

Trump is not a real Conservative, he does not want to cut Social Security. True, and he is the only one.

Trump's platform is what the majority of the people said they wanted.

Overall, 57% support for his platform before it became his.

All the bribers, fixers, and bloodsuckers are upset. Once they lose their grip on government, they will not get it back.

Trump is making a Hostile Takeover of the Republican Party. Him and one other have the proxies to vote out the Board of Directors. He has the votes, the money, the plan.

Those who do not like it can leave, the new Party will drop the outdated platform, and layout a realistic vision for America. A United Party will elect Trump.

The loss of Fundie votes will improve the party, I remember when they left the Democrats over Civil Rights. Then it was the Pill, abortion, people having sex, same sex people having sex, and gays praying to Their God. The Constitutional Amendment to prohibit Gay Prayer was the last straw.

Votes lost will be replaced by people who have stayed away from the whole Westborough Baptist Church thing.

Small business people with a desire to be less regulated than General Motors, people who remember when America was fun.

Trump is a Force of Nature. He reminds me of a story about Andrew Jackson, after his death one of his slaves was asked, will Massa Andrew go the heaven? "He will if he wants to," she replied.

Hey! I am a rampant liberal!

I'll pray for you, brother.

And I shall pray for you!

Thank you, and God Bless!

Well sure if you look at the financial cost alone, walls are cheap...

Well if he wants it so bad why doesn't he pay for it himself?

Someone ought to run that idea by him.

Anytime.

Not Cheap! PROFITABLE!

All of the costs running, Border Patrol, Detention Centers, Lawyers, Jails, can be avoided, for a lot less, Trump Industries will privatize the problem.

You accepted private prisons, let me tell you about private borders.

One of our biggest border problems is a Treaty. Mexico and the US have agreed not to militarize the border, Police only in the border zone.

This limits us to at the most sending National Guard to back up the Border Patrol, while staying away from the border zone. National Guard do not have the power of arrest.

Those caught crossing are detained. This is where it gets expensive.

The Trump Hotel, Casino, and Detention Center could be built on the the border, say just west of El Paso. This is also close to Juarez. It is in New Mexico, on some worthless land. The American side is I think BLM Land, so we own it, and it is the first land that does not have a river as a border. Our southernmost Interstate runs through El Paso.

A wall enclosing a two by ten mile area with a mile on each side of the border, water from the Rio Grande, food, tents, can be the new detention center. The American side takes a Court Order to get out, the Mexican side, no crime has been committed, so they are free to go. Once they cross the line in the middle, they are no longer our problem.

This only works for Mexicans, as Mexico has strict laws, and two years in jail, same as murder, for not having a visa.

Hondurans, Guatemalans, Salvadore, and the rest will be refused. We can make a deal, Maquiladora on the Mexican side, where good wages are $5 a day, and jobs are hard to find. Since we are providing food, water, a tent, $2 a day would be fair wages.

It gives them a chance to earn some money to pay for leaving. Mexico would demand they fly from El Paso to south of Mexico. Mexican immigration laws are strict. For a tent, meals, medical care, and $2 a day, most would stay.

Having a Detention Center that they can leave, or get a job, is not oppressive. We could build several, California, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas. All illegals caught anywhere, would be sent to the Detention Centers for processing. Like all governments, their paperwork would be lost.

Obama has been deporting over two million a year, Most are deported when they are released from jail. The overall cost of deporting a felon, a half million, with trials, jail costs, and deportation.

This is not some new radical idea, The Reagan Era Amnesty called for securing the borders so this would stop happening. Money was appropriated which vanished into a Congress Study.

Now the cost is higher, the number of illegals higher, and it is not getting better.

Who has been making money? Due to the backlog of immigration cases, Lawyers have had to be appointed to Federal Judgeships, Lifetime Bank with super Perks! Those same new Federal Judges award legal fees to Lawyers who represent illegals.

America has been sold out by Lawyers! Why is no one surprised?

To bypass the Lawyers, all illegals sent to Detention Centers for processing, where most can just reenter Mexico.

It is cheap, fast, and workable. Mexicans are a large majority of illegals. The Mexican government can oversee the treatment of their citizens, and release them into Mexico.

At six million a year it would take five years after the border was sealed. People can still get tourist visas, and over stay them. Day shoppers can hop a bus, it will never end.

We used to have a Guest Worker Program, Braceros? Registered health checked Mexicans could come work, and be protected. Whole families came to harvest crops, pick fruit, where they made very good money by Mexican standards. Places like Eastern Washington for the apple/cherry harvest, no one lives there. Thousands of workers are needed for long days outdoors. Oranges in Florida, grapes in California, we need Mexican workers.

A formal deportation bans the person from coming back. A lot of illegals with a work history and no police record, we should just forget they were ever here, and give them the paperwork for becoming a legal guest worker.

The same Border Detention Centers can be Guest Worker entry points.

If we treat people fairly, are truthful, and live up to our word, if we are trustworthy, a lot of the people here would go home for a vacation, and reenter as Registered Guest Workers. Some we have to catch, then release to the Mexican Police.

The Art Of The Deal, there has to be something acceptable to all parties. Our legal Mexicans have their view, illegal but only because there is no legal path to come work are good people. The criminals, are not wanted here or there. Our desire to have an orderly relationship with our neighbors is what has been lacking. We ended the legal Guest Worker Program. People who had grown up as migratory farm workers still came the next year.

A fair deal for our neighbors. And good walls make good neighbors.

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Privatization of public institutions such as jails have never worked out. As private businesses with the lowest bid gets the job, both on-the-job jail personnel and inmates suffer, whether it's from low pay or low quality, low amount of food. There have been inmate riots in privately owned jails because of the lack of food they were getting. I doubt Trump could do much better.
And as expensive as trials might be, the fact is, they are still a legal assurance to everyone - citizens, and immigrants, and illegal immigrants regardless. What are we supposed to do, just gather up dark complected, Spanish speaking people, and deport them by the hundreds? Do you know how many legal immigrants, not to mention American citizens, would be deported?

It is not a jail, it is a detention center for undocumented people.

Citizens and legal immigrants have to speak the language, and pass a test on American Government.

E-verify will tell who is illegal, and the local police can turn them over to INS for transport to a detention center.

It will be a joint Mexican/American Border Program. Some of the people who cross the border at night are wanted by the Mexican Police. We already have Mexican/American Police Cooperation over border crime.

Mexico has the same problem on their southern border, where they just send them back by the truckload.

Mexico is also the path of tourists who use it to slip over the American border. Europeans, Arabs, Chinese and other Asians. Those who overstayed their visa and were not recorded to have left, should be on a list.

Mexico also has Serial Killers, Murdered Police, and a lot of reasons to support a joint venture.

While it may sound the same, illegals are not criminals. Unlike Mexico that will send you to jail for two years, we do not, we just remove them from our country. Deportation is the formal process, but before that they have the option to leave.

Holding them in jails like we now do for the reason of crossing the border to pick tomatoes, if not a crime against humanity, is at least an insult to us being human.

Removing them to a detention center, for sorting, where they have the option to just reenter Mexico, or register as a Guest Worker, is a humane response to the problem.

Private Prisons are making money holding them for years, Lawyers and Courts making a Federal Case of it.

It is more an Administrative problem. Non Citizen detained for expired Visa or no Visa. Return to their native country, case closed.

A lot of it is our fault for ending the Guest Worker Program. Guest Workers are not on a path to citizenship, their children do not become citizens, they do pay taxes, there is an international agreement on Social Security for people who work in several countries. farm workers with children do not make enough to pay income tax, and I think they pay Mexican Social Security. Guest workers cannot collect unemployment, food stamps, welfare, but they can send their children to school, get a drivers license, and make legal claims about unpaid wages.

People working here benefit us, they should be treated fairly.

There is another world of illegal illegals, a world of crime, drugs and guns back and forth across the border, where finger prints and DNA would answer many questions here and in Mexico. There are a lot of gangs. The drug cartels have a network of illegals across America. It would benefit us to break it up.

We do not allow people with criminal records in. It is a good idea. A whole lot of Mexicans are dying because of cross border crime. It will not stop it's self.

We are not doing what we could to make a lot of people's lives better.