Who do you support for the Democratic nomination?

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Who do you support for the Democratic nomination?
Hillary Clinton 6%  6%  [ 3 ]
Bernie Sanders 57%  57%  [ 31 ]
Joe Biden 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Jim Webb 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Martin O'Malley 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Lincoln Chafee 2%  2%  [ 1 ]
Not voting Democrat 35%  35%  [ 19 ]
Total votes : 54

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21 Aug 2015, 6:06 pm

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The problem with your fantasy is that workers only want to take part in the upside.

You see billions $$$ in profit and think, "Let's get some of that".
But when there are billions $$$ in losses you are no where to be found.


They're nowhere to be found because they've been fired to make sure the CEO and board don't have to take part in any downturn. Also, when a company hemorrhages billions in losses, you think it's that all of a sudden one day the workers just decided to stop being productive? f**k no, most of the time it's because the CEO made a dumb decision or got out played by a competitor. The same people that sink companies rarely take responsibility for the loss since they're so well insulated by the stratified power structures that industrialization created that they don't have to.



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21 Aug 2015, 7:23 pm

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Poor babies! And to think, me a heartless liberal believing they should part with just a little more money so their employees can actually live comfortably. :lol:


The problem with your fantasy is that workers only want to take part in the upside.

You see billions $$$ in profit and think, "Let's get some of that".
But when there are billions $$$ in losses you are no where to be found.

For example, the CEO of Hostess (maker of Twinkies) tried to keep it open if the union would cut back on pay. Workers response: HELL NO will take less pay. SHUT IT DOWN!


What where they being paid? What would their pay have been reduced to, would it have still been a living wage...and also was the CEO of hostess actually going broke because of how much he had to pay employees. Or is he still filthy rich and even more so now that he doesn't have to pay employees since closing Hostess? Those are all important details.


The company fired its 18,500 employees and liquidated its assets.

The assets were sold, and some employees got new jobs at the new company for lower pay. Many did not.

I am sure the CEO is still filthy rich.

It's a sad story about America to see such greedy workers, so out of touch with reality.



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21 Aug 2015, 7:42 pm

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The company fired its 18,500 employees and liquidated its assets.The assets were sold, and some employees got new jobs at the new company for lower pay. Many did not. I am sure the CEO is still filthy rich. It's a sad story about America to see such greedy workers, so out of touch with reality.

how in blazes can you say in the same breath, "I am sure the CEO is still filthy rich" AND ".... such greedy WORKERS" ??? is no amount of perfidy on the CEOs' part enough for you to stop bashing the working class?



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21 Aug 2015, 8:01 pm

LoveNotHate wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
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Poor babies! And to think, me a heartless liberal believing they should part with just a little more money so their employees can actually live comfortably. :lol:


The problem with your fantasy is that workers only want to take part in the upside.

You see billions $$$ in profit and think, "Let's get some of that".
But when there are billions $$$ in losses you are no where to be found.

For example, the CEO of Hostess (maker of Twinkies) tried to keep it open if the union would cut back on pay. Workers response: HELL NO will take less pay. SHUT IT DOWN!


What where they being paid? What would their pay have been reduced to, would it have still been a living wage...and also was the CEO of hostess actually going broke because of how much he had to pay employees. Or is he still filthy rich and even more so now that he doesn't have to pay employees since closing Hostess? Those are all important details.


The company fired its 18,500 employees and liquidated its assets.

The assets were sold, and some employees got new jobs at the new company for lower pay. Many did not.

I am sure the CEO is still filthy rich.

It's a sad story about America to see such greedy workers, so out of touch with reality.


I fail to see how they where 'such greedy workers' if the CEO managed to remain wealthy and is still wealthy, after having paying them their horribly ridiculous wages. Seems like a sad story about another CEO that was too greedy to pay his employees a living wage.


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21 Aug 2015, 8:33 pm

LoveNotHate wrote:
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Poor babies! And to think, me a heartless liberal believing they should part with just a little more money so their employees can actually live comfortably. :lol:


The problem with your fantasy is that workers only want to take part in the upside.

You see billions $$$ in profit and think, "Let's get some of that".
But when there are billions $$$ in losses you are no where to be found.

For example, the CEO of Hostess (maker of Twinkies) tried to keep it open if the union would cut back on pay. Workers response: HELL NO will take less pay. SHUT IT DOWN!


In fact, the union at Hostess had made concession after concession, till they and their members couldn't give anymore.
And yes, unions make more than enough concessions for the f*ck ups made by management.


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30 Aug 2015, 12:29 am

Clinton campaign crumbling before our eyes

Hillary only up 7 on Sanders in Iowa

Biden is about to enter the race and will get a bump

the real drama is going to be with the delegates and how graceful Hillary will be willing to go

she could get indicted and it will all be over

or she could stay in and possibly make Trump president



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30 Aug 2015, 12:35 am

if the outcome were not so critical, I'd wanna big ol' bowl of popcorn right about now :mrgreen:



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30 Aug 2015, 1:17 am

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if the outcome were not so critical, I'd wanna big ol' bowl of popcorn right about now :mrgraleen:


its pretty crazy, the GOP seems destined to be a brokered convention presuming they just don't roll over for Trump who seems unstoppable s a candidate right now and Hillary who already has secured 1/5th the delegates needed to win the nomination. Going to be a hell of a show, politics is the greatest form of reality TV.



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30 Aug 2015, 7:09 pm

With extra butter.

Have no fear, no matter who is elected, we lose.

I do not see anyone standing against Trump.

A vast field of Republicans looks like a school of fish. None of them stand out.

There are less Democrats, but they have the problem of, vote to continue the last eight years, bring back sixteen to twenty-four years ago, or vote for the Soviet Socialist Independent.

Hilarious has that legal problem, I did not rape and murder that man in Bengasi. I was not fired from being Secretary of State. When I tried to download the government files on my private server, I erased them by accident.

Biden runs on, his record, I was a heartbeat away from being President, and that is why no one killed him.

How bad is it? They put out a call to Gore.

Then Jimmy Carter declines due to cancer.

Black people are rioting in the streets because their Democrat Party has failed them. Education, housing, jobs, all got worse. Illegal Immigrants took their jobs. Trump could pull Black Votes just on that.

Trump runs Right to get the Republican Party, then back to Center for the election. On some issues, he is Left of Democrats. Single payer universal health care.

We pay twice what Canada does for partial coverage. This year the fine for not having insurance was $95, next year $385. Everyone is facing rate increases, as the insurance industry said that was just a teaser rate.

2016, we pay twice as much, four times Canada, for partial coverage, with insurance companies making the rules.

Insurance, hospitals, drug companies have been taking advantage of us. Canadian Health Care, just like other industrial countries, puts an end to that.

I like the Soviet Socialist Democrat Independent, he would be seconding Trump's proposals.

High quality education starting in preschool, universal health care, bringing back industrial jobs, putting tariffs on the goods of ex American companies who left. Charging for access to our markets.

A 1% transaction tax on securities would dampen speculation and bring in a lot of money.

Under QE3 banks and brokers ran up a huge debt at zero interest. They are all broke. The recovery only reached the top fifth of people, but did the most damage to the bottom 4/5ths.

Trump like Buffet and Gates have come out for taxing the rich. They are the smallest ever group to hold the largest percentage of wealth.

The Socialist Independent would see that he could get what he wants, by losing, by directing the American Conversation.

Trumps view of ruling is like the old Dictators of Greece and Rome. No more party politics, we do what it takes to make a stable solvent country.

Most Romans did consider it Public Service. When elected they used their own wealth and connections to do more than their office called for, left more in the treasury than when they started, and left behind roads and waterworks that would serve for generations. For this opportunity to serve they thanked the People of Rome.

Bernie and Donald could have a very Civil, Intelligent, and Polite conversation about America.

Both could rise to the level of Statesmen, again like the Romans who address the same crowds, and brought out the best thoughts about their Nation, their people, their future.

Bernie is the best of all running to get the Vice President Office. Then he could whisper in Donald's ear, "You are only a mortal" every morning, and as needed.



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30 Aug 2015, 7:35 pm

he might also whisper, "sic transic Gloria."



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30 Aug 2015, 7:43 pm

Who do you support for the Democratic nomination?
The ones that's most likely to lose to Trump! :roll:



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30 Aug 2015, 8:04 pm

poor Hillary.



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30 Aug 2015, 8:09 pm

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Have no fear, no matter who is elected, we lose.

Or as Mark Twain put it: "If voting made any difference they wouldn't let us do it." The best thing we can hope for is stormy weather and a loose cannon on deck.



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30 Aug 2015, 8:12 pm

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poor Hillary.


Always a bridesmaid, never a bride. :lol:
But seriously, despite all her negatives, I think she is still a formidable opponent. That is, if she can survive the Bernie barrage.


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30 Aug 2015, 8:14 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
poor Hillary.


Always a bridesmaid, never a bride. :lol:
But seriously, despite all her negatives, I think she is still a formidable opponent. That is, if she can survive the Bernie barrage.

but can she sustain the damage sufficient to survive The T Rump barrage?



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30 Aug 2015, 8:35 pm

auntblabby wrote:
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poor Hillary.


Always a bridesmaid, never a bride. :lol:
But seriously, despite all her negatives, I think she is still a formidable opponent. That is, if she can survive the Bernie barrage.

but can she sustain the damage sufficient to survive The T Rump barrage?


I think she can... if Trump self destructs due to his own demagoguery. And that is not hardly beyond the realm of possibility.


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