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20 Aug 2015, 1:44 am
MarketAndChurch wrote:
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It seems that every x hundred of years, a booming radical islam occurs, as if it's a cycle in the islamic history.
Before ISIS, there was the Taliban expansion, before it the Wahhabi expansion, and before it caliphate expansions, before it, the first Islamic expansion.
And most of these expansions were mostly waged against moderate/less radical muslims, to 'remind' them of the original Islam.
Saudi Arabia's regime is the root of all Sunnite radicalism today .
Iranian regime is the root of all Shiite radicalism today .
As long these two stay in power, this will keep happening.
Before ISIS, there was the Taliban expansion, before it the Wahhabi expansion, and before it caliphate expansions, before it, the first Islamic expansion.
And most of these expansions were mostly waged against moderate/less radical muslims, to 'remind' them of the original Islam.
Saudi Arabia's regime is the root of all Sunnite radicalism today .
Iranian regime is the root of all Shiite radicalism today .
As long these two stay in power, this will keep happening.
I mostly agree, but I think the Muslim Brotherhood is the center of all Sunnite Radicalism in the Arab world, which itself is the center of most of the violent expressions of Islam. Shiites generally aren't radical, but that's mostly because outside of Iran and Iraq, they tend to be minorities amongst Sunni dominant societies. The Wahabiists are also dangerous, especially with their influence throughout Northern and East Africa, and SE Asia, but I think the MB takes the cake for leading Sunni radicalism in the Arab world(which constitutes 20% of Islam). Saudi Arabia's influence is mostly outside the Arab world.
I wouldn't even use the word radicalism either, since they aren't radical in accordance to their own religion's outlook.
I disagree.
I am from a Shiite family, and I can tell you, compared to 20 years ago, Shiites had been much radicalized everywhere.
For example, talking about the most visual sign for this: The veil was traditionally mostly only worn by elderly women after coming back from pilgrimage (this phenomena was also among Sunnites here), it was very common to see women only wearing hijab after reaching an old age (55+), it was a choice made by the adult women who feel that they have reached a certain spiritual maturity, child veil was never seen back then in cities and very rarely even in rural areas, and the veil seen in rural areas back was very mild, like a scarf hiding only half of hair and clothes were regular, there was no Chador or Burqaa. Among the Shiites nowadays, child veils and even chador are now common in Hezbollah-dominated areas, gender-segregated schools became more common there too, Hezbollah schools arrange every year a celebration for veiling little girls when they reach 9 years old.
If this is not a systematized expansion of radicalism I dunno what it is.
Muslim Brotherhood and Wahabists are rivals but they both compete on taking over radicalism.
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07 Sep 2015, 2:29 pm
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
MarketAndChurch wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
It seems that every x hundred of years, a booming radical islam occurs, as if it's a cycle in the islamic history.
Before ISIS, there was the Taliban expansion, before it the Wahhabi expansion, and before it caliphate expansions, before it, the first Islamic expansion.
And most of these expansions were mostly waged against moderate/less radical muslims, to 'remind' them of the original Islam.
Saudi Arabia's regime is the root of all Sunnite radicalism today .
Iranian regime is the root of all Shiite radicalism today .
As long these two stay in power, this will keep happening.
Before ISIS, there was the Taliban expansion, before it the Wahhabi expansion, and before it caliphate expansions, before it, the first Islamic expansion.
And most of these expansions were mostly waged against moderate/less radical muslims, to 'remind' them of the original Islam.
Saudi Arabia's regime is the root of all Sunnite radicalism today .
Iranian regime is the root of all Shiite radicalism today .
As long these two stay in power, this will keep happening.
I mostly agree, but I think the Muslim Brotherhood is the center of all Sunnite Radicalism in the Arab world, which itself is the center of most of the violent expressions of Islam. Shiites generally aren't radical, but that's mostly because outside of Iran and Iraq, they tend to be minorities amongst Sunni dominant societies. The Wahabiists are also dangerous, especially with their influence throughout Northern and East Africa, and SE Asia, but I think the MB takes the cake for leading Sunni radicalism in the Arab world(which constitutes 20% of Islam). Saudi Arabia's influence is mostly outside the Arab world.
I wouldn't even use the word radicalism either, since they aren't radical in accordance to their own religion's outlook.
I disagree.
I am from a Shiite family, and I can tell you, compared to 20 years ago, Shiites had been much radicalized everywhere.
For example, talking about the most visual sign for this: The veil was traditionally mostly only worn by elderly women after coming back from pilgrimage (this phenomena was also among Sunnites here), it was very common to see women only wearing hijab after reaching an old age (55+), it was a choice made by the adult women who feel that they have reached a certain spiritual maturity, child veil was never seen back then in cities and very rarely even in rural areas, and the veil seen in rural areas back was very mild, like a scarf hiding only half of hair and clothes were regular, there was no Chador or Burqaa. Among the Shiites nowadays, child veils and even chador are now common in Hezbollah-dominated areas, gender-segregated schools became more common there too, Hezbollah schools arrange every year a celebration for veiling little girls when they reach 9 years old.
If this is not a systematized expansion of radicalism I dunno what it is.
Muslim Brotherhood and Wahabists are rivals but they both compete on taking over radicalism.
This is the photo of a the Azhar grand imam in the 50s...with his daughter.
What a decline, Egypt; radicalism had devoured you.
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