Awareness of European Refugee Crisis.

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Syrians are fleeing their homes in Asia and moving onto safer locations in Europe but not with the approval of Europeans and some are reacting in ways reminiscent of Nazis or Communists, by putting up dangerous fences and siccing cops on immigrants at train stations. When the local news broadcast the Hungarians calling off their raid on immigrants, the local media acted incredulous, like these poor refugees fleeing from wars in their homeland, should be treated like terrorists with no access to the justice system or rights of any kind. Why is it Americans have become so incredibly hard hearted to people's suffering, mimicking the way Nazis or Communists were indifferent and hard hearted toward it? It is a troublesome phenomena Americans are increasingly indifferent to human suffering.

The issue is complex. A huge influx of immigration from a foreign culture will certainly cause problems in those countries. Europe isn't exactly doing well economically right now, they may not be able to afford this. And some of them may very well be Islamic extremists.

Because of a dearth of resources. Most countries put severe limitations on immigration to protect their citizens. And here we are talking about thousands of refugees coming across nations that are still recovering from decades of Communist rule.

The path to prosperous heartland of northwest Europe (UK, France, Germany, Sweden) where the refugees are headed goes through the less affluent Balkan south east of Europe. If you were an east european country on the throughway you would pretty much have to adopt one of two opposite responses to the new influx of refugees: either shepherd them through your country as fast as possible so none of them stay ( pass the hot potato westward), or to build a great wall of china at your eastern border to stop them. It would be nice if they did the former, but I cant totally blame them for doing the latter. But I don't blame the refugees for being refugees, and doing what I would do in their shoes: flee the war zones of middle east after their homes have been destroyed. As AspE said above "its complex".

This is why they need some kind of organized response from the EU and aide workers. So they can go back home eventually. They need to figure out where they will stay ahead of time and send them there. Turkey needs to get involved.

Probably what Americans and some Europeans expect is for refugees to stay in these countries and not the EU.

The UK has stated that they will accept "thousands" of Syrian refugees.

Europe reaping what they sowed in Libya and Turkey has proven what type of ally they really are. How can Europe add more people to its welfare roles when it can't support the people actually from there? I don't really believe that all the refugees are escaping death but rather more just economic immigrants who see a better easier life. It's impossible, if everybody who wanted to live in Europe or America could then there would 4-5 billion people on those continents. People need to fix their own countries, we need to stop blowing them up. If you take them, more will come. It is inevitable and European countries aren't that big, adding 800k foreigners is going to fundementally change the fabric of your society. Sweden 50 years from now is not going to look like a European country.

In the last 4 years, we've accepted roughly as many as Germany have so far this year. We have broad shoulders, we should be supporting more.

Does it matter if Sweden looks like a European country? What does that mean, exactly, anyway?

We do at present have a housing problem. There isn't enough suitable land to build on. We could take over the golf courses. Refugees with children along with single mothers getting state money to live on will come first on the housing list.

This isn't the real problem. Germany is being very generous talking about taking in 800,000 refugees. The fact is the best part of Africa and the Middle East cannot move to Europe. The demand will increase and the situation get a lot worse.

It is possible to deny climate change but not the consequences.

Sweden is going to experience a massive decrease in QOL, their HDI was at one time in the top 10 in the world and by 2030 it will fall to 45th below Libya and right above Malaysia. Sweden is a small country of under 10 million, Swedes will be a minority in their own country within 30-50 years at the rate they're going. Their generous welfare state is broke and collapsing.

And this is precisely why the concept of nation fails. You see it happening all around. It's not a viable concept.

It does fail when it is undermined like this. The welfare state is impossible with open borders, its not compassion but rather a hatred of your own people to do that your own country. Open borders can only work if you eliminate all welfare, public services, or are just a place nobody wants to go. Billions of people might want to immigrate to America or Europe, we can't support them and there wouldn't be an America or Europe any more at that point. Looking at these refugee boats, they look like they're are mostly well fed military aged men so maybe they should go do something about what is happening in their countries. Showing the few women and children is just emotionally exploitive, it's not representative. How about we train these military aged men and send them back to fight? Do they not have the will? Maybe they're not all that moderate... How many of these people are even actually fleeing warzones? Is there any way to vet that? Is there any way to vet any of these people?

And yet the floodgates were open for so long and lo and behold, America is still here. Life continues. It's not the end of the world and it doesn't mean ultimate collapse or failure. The real enemies are pessimism and panic along with a healthy dose of denial which the US has in abundance at the moment. Self fulfilling prophecies often come true.