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29 Jan 2016, 11:28 am

Deltaville wrote:

...It enables me to make more informed opinions on the subject matter and augment them with evidence of whatever knowledge I gained.

So you say.

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29 Jan 2016, 11:29 am

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You do realize that quoting someone or something does not imply endorsement of the said position.

I never said you did endorse it.

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29 Jan 2016, 11:35 am

AspE wrote:

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...It enables me to make more informed opinions on the subject matter and augment them with evidence of whatever knowledge I gained.

So you say.

Commonsense would tell us that a person educated in a certain discipline, is less likely, at least in statistics to draw a related opinion that doesn't conform to lore.

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29 Jan 2016, 11:36 am

AspE wrote:

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You do realize that quoting someone or something does not imply endorsement of the said position.

I never said you did endorse it.

The use of personal pronouns in your initial response suggested the contrary.

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29 Jan 2016, 11:52 am

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Although as a counterpoint, the cause of the universes's formation cannot easily be construed without a supernatural intervention. The formation of mass in our universe cannot be ascribed to any physical properties or phenomenon, because the second law of thermodynamics is clear: mass (energy) cannot exceed the input energy that is added into it. Who added that initial energy? Obviously these fundamental scientific laws were breached.

The supernatural is not the default position when you don't know something. The universe is almost perfectly balanced between energy and gravitational potential energy, meaning that it took no net energy input for the Big Bang to occur. Which is exactly what we would expect to observe if the universe came from nothing.

0=1+(-1)

or

0=1,000,000+(-1,000,000)

etc.

That fact does not nullify conservation of energy. Moreover, energy can be transferred into different forms, and gravity needs matter in order to be facilitated as a natural force. Energy alone doesn't cut it.

Furthermore, the lack of material origin in an ex post facto manner only suggests a supernatural hypothesis. Again, it does not implicate my personal views on it.

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29 Jan 2016, 12:39 pm

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It doesn't violate the law of conservation of energy, since no net energy was created.

And no, there is nothing that implies the supernatural. There exist several plausible naturalistic theories on the origin of the universe, none of which violate any known laws of physics.

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29 Jan 2016, 2:11 pm

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The only One who can save us.

From himself?

From yourself.

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29 Jan 2016, 3:09 pm

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The only One who can save us.

From himself?

From yourself.

So why are we created to need saving from ourselves?

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29 Jan 2016, 6:13 pm

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So why are we created to need saving from ourselves?

Because the most religious among us say so, and that's how they explain their condescending (And sometimes malicious) attitudes - a rather repetitive argument from authority. Or should I say a vicious cycle, given they also blame the disasters that result on forces that they say are against God.

Mind you, I'm saying this as the son of two parents from different Christian denominations. I'm not revealing my affiliation right now... :wink:

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29 Jan 2016, 7:39 pm

I've been the route of being an atheist when I was younger, and I was the most miserable sonafabeeyotch you could ever meet. Then again, growing up in a fundamentalist home and in a congregation that carried out the worst in Calvinist, Arminian and Classical Dispensational theology, and the Holy Scriptures were interpreted literally didn't help. South Central PA, being part of the Northern Bible Belt didn't help much. Being told that you were going to Hell because of what you did, what you listened to, and how you believed made one a pariah real fast. It wasn't till I got my first music gig after college in a Lutheran Congregation where I was accepted and loved that changed my mind. You didn't have to be hard core fundamentalist to bea Christian. To this day, I am not welcomed in the church I grew up in, but you know what? I've moved on. I told my psychologist today in my session it took me until joining the Lutherans to get my head screwed on straight.

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29 Jan 2016, 8:44 pm

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OK, we all have our own journeys. I want people to be happy, but I think that's possible without holding irrational beliefs,

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29 Jan 2016, 9:18 pm

nurseangela wrote:

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nurseangela wrote:

The only One who can save us.

From himself?

From yourself.

You have it all wrong! The only real deity is the Invisible Pink Unicorn!

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30 Jan 2016, 5:08 pm

DailyPoutine1 wrote:

nurseangela wrote:

AspE wrote:

nurseangela wrote:

The only One who can save us.

From himself?

From yourself.

You have it all wrong! The only real deity is the Invisible Pink Unicorn!

Behold her invisible, pointy-headed glory.

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02 Feb 2016, 9:22 am

God is hope for an eternal and absolute justice personified.

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