Effeminate men, testosterone and Autism

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And refutation. See, wasn't that easy?
https://spectrumnews.org/news/study-on- ... s-critics/

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2015/11/ ... tudy-finds

Basically the study is flawed.

And that's the point. There are refutations. Each one of us is backed by a study. As for one of them not directly refuting the study, see it as you will.

But your insistence to just believe without really observing things for yourself is just amazing. It is its own form of gender bias.

The most glaring thing that you have chosen to overlook that the largest and most consistent observation of all critics that the study did not get into histories of the individuals (Internet survey.....yeah....that's a real source of factual information) and did not account for social conditioning. And, it's basically a rehash of a theory that has not really gained traction in ten years primarily for the reasons of not taking into account such things as upbringing and social conditioning.

The study is flawed.

Which is what I said. Social reasons could very well be the "why", and females might say, show more of this "EMB" due to not acknowledging the social norms. Albeit, men have always been more physically aggressive on average; it's always been that way across the world and time.

I'm not believing it blindly; I think it explains much, and it makes a lot of sense. There's no problems with the data that I can see.

Personally, I think it's just early brain damage that affects multiple behavioral areas, and since humans are fairly cut and dry in behavior across the two sexes, you end up with what Cohen has found. Intense world theory can explain the sensory stuff. ED theory can explain problems with initiating actions, crossing thresholds, and adapting to change, for example.

But nonetheless, the premise of this thread is speaking of effeminate men and autism. Cohen has shown that males with autism aren't on average effeminate based on typical male behaviors, no matter the reasons for those behaviors (biological or social).

Someone can step in and show objectively that males with autism are more effeminate if they like.

Here's an interesting one:

http://bjp.rcpsych.org/content/201/2/116

Hmm. I think both sides have a point. I think extreme male brain theory makes sense for some people and not others. I think once we discover all the different forms of autism, we'll discover the various causes, and they won't all be from the extreme male brain.

Sex differentiation of the brain and gender is really just a spectrum. There are averages, like a bell curve, that most people fall into. That's where some gender stereotypes come from. Obviously, a lot of people don't fit so neatly into these categories.

Some people are more in the middle, as far as gender personality, and some are on the other side completely from their biological sex. I don't think we fully understand why yet.

I have noticed many aspies of both sexes don't fit gender stereotypes, and I think this goes against the extreme male brain theory. Many seem to be androgynous and some are transgendered. If the extreme male brain theory really applied to everyone, you'd think most aspies of both sexes would feel/act more masculine, which isn't the case.

I myself have a way of thinking that is probably more in the middle of the gender spectrum. But my appearance and mannerisms are very feminine.

Men and women are different, but stereotypes are just stereotypes. So one can't truthfully say all men are aggressive and all women passive, for instance.

I have no research to back this up, only things I've read over the years and my observations