What can we do about the high male suicide rate?

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The men who commit suicide are men that society deems worthless or losers. One would say this is just nature at work. I don't see women at large wanting to do anything for those men. I don't see other men who see themselves as better doing anything either. Leaves just us men no one cares about. Probably why this issue hasn't gotten any real attention in news or government. Sad but suppose it's just how things work.

On the issue of euthanasia what's the difference between using a drug to do it or hanging, knife etc is the drug death somehow considered more civilized ? 0.o

Kinda odd like when cops threaten to shoot a suicidal man, um he wants to die so why would he be afraid of being shot to death.

This your assumption, not born out by the evidence. These can be average people, and even successful people.

Most are not successful people . Usually it's the last act of desperation

Successful people only usually do it after they've lost everything. Like a ceo going bankrupt. Or a executive about to get arrested for fraud. I'd wager most suicides are poor single men.

Successful people are usually too busy enjoying their success. Poor people are too busy worrying about their failures and if they'll have a home next week which leads to depression a lot more then being successful and having everything you want or desire.

Robin Williams is the only successful person I can think of who killed themselves. I don't include those who over dose on drugs accidentally.

So yes not all are but most are.

By the definition you have stated much of the population would commit suicide at one point. It is around 0.1%

What how do you get that?
I was only talking about those who commit Sucide. I never said most the population kill themselves I said most of those who kill themselves are poor people. I don't get how you made that jump

I think it is probably relevant to also ask why it is that murder-suicides are almost always done by men--as in, we need to be asking why it is that so many men, when they decide to commit suicide, also decide to take others with them, usually family members/wives/girlfriends. Female suicides almost never do this. If it's almost solely a male phenomenon, it should probably factor in to this discussion.

http://nymag.com/scienceofus/2015/03/what-we-know-about-suicide-as-an-act-of-murder.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder%E2%80%93suicide

http://www.officer.com/article/10744560/murder-suicide-when-killing-yourself-isnt-enough



https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/03/27/nearly-80-percent-of-people-who-commit-murder-suicide-had-a-crisis-in-the-two-weeks-prior/

Because being "a looser" doesn't mean you will kill yourself. It is completely relative.

Again I never said that i said most of the people who kill themselves are what Society deems as losers.

Off the top of my head: Kurt Cobain, Tony Scott, David Foster Wallace, Ernest Hemingway, Sylvia Plath, Anne Sexton, Tony Hancock, Virginia Woolf, Ian Curtis. I consider all 'succesful', achieving success and acclaim in their field to an extent most who don't kill themselves won't.

Define 'successful'. Define 'unsuccesful'. Then gather suicide numbers for each and check the percentage.

I see nothing here but a common preoccupation amongst certain young men about certain people - often themselves and those like them - being thought 'worthless' or 'losers' by others. Don't bully yourself.

Murder suicides represent 1.6% of all suicides in US (2011)

Feel free to investigate this though. I think it is a kind of depressive narcissism. With women there are various personality disorder that and mental illnesses for those that kill their children.

The point of this threat was how to reduce the amount of suicides in men. If that has the effect or reducing murder-suicides that would be great.

There is a whole debate about the selfishness of suicide. Murder suicides are definitely selfish acts. Usually vindictive intent but not always (i.e. a parents who kill a sick child and kill thiemselves) Usually there is some kind of perverted logic to it.

Reducing the suicide rate in men will involve (at the very least) convincing men at risk that they can trust the people that are trying to help them. Without that trust, men will not likely to admit that they even have a problem.

Tbh I don't know what you are on about Fnord.

I understand it is hard to trust people, but in reality most people that you can talk would just listen. People need more help than that usually.

I would understand if you were talking about just confiding in a stranger. However we are talking about people offering to help.

Maybe women are more open about feelings, however I'm not convinced they just come out with it. Most of the women that had emotionally confided in me, who I hadn't know for a very long time, were drunk or tipsy.

I totally relate to the trust issue, but that is about what I feel comfortable with.

So yes "convincing" is the operative word, or perhaps finding the most comfortable way of men getting help.

Often, that's not the case. The suicide may be the product of a temporary despair, such as a divorce or the loss of a loved one, that the individual would get over given time; it may be an even more short-term glitch, a brief misfiring of the brain. That's part of why homes with guns have higher suicide (and murder) rates: a gun takes very little preparation, and a person can quickly and thoroughly kill himself without the time to change his mind.

There is also a very high suicide rate based on factors that are social stigmas in some groups, but not in others: for example, gay and trans kids kill themselves at higher rates in conservative/religious areas than in more liberal areas, when their families reject them for intrinsic factors of their being. Recently a very promising young doctor jumped off the parking garage at one of our sister hospitals: he was gay, and his conservative family had just found out. He was a well-liked and respected young man.
For that matter, doctors and other high-stress professions have relatively high suicide rates, not because their practitioners are losers but because they're some of our best and brightest and society expects so much from them that it makes their lives miserable.

Why did you have to go there?

it illustrated my point. Substitute 'homes with fast, effective, and easy to use weapons' if you prefer.

The research backs up that claim.

When I was a kid, the whole of the UK switched from Coal Gas (Highly toxic) to Natural Gas (Non-toxic). A popular euphemism for suicide when I was a kid was to "stick ones head in the oven." As a suicide method, it was relatively quick, painless, and maybe perceived as a little less shocking to those left behind than other methods.

When the switch was made to natural gas, the suicide rate dropped dramatically. All the social scientists of the time reckoned that before long people would just find another way to do it. But they didn't, the drop in suicide rate persisted for a long time afterwards.

Research was also done on people rescued from attempting to jump off a famous bridge (Golden Gate, SF, IIRC) Subsequent to their rescue, only a small (but significant) minority ever had another suicide attempt. People with chronic suicidal ideation are in a minority of people who attempt suicide and succeed - it is far more common that it is a short-lived acute event.

Making suicide harder to physically do, works. It's that simple. But neither side of the debate about gun control ever mentions that there are more firearm suicides than there are firearm homicides. It has to be faced up to - having a firearm in the house increases the risk of a successful suicide. I'm not based in the US, so it's not my place to say what the solution might be - but pretending that it isn't a problem should not be an option.