Trump and fascism

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I don't know.. I think he might have a chance. Particularly with the backlash to trump, there would be votes of relief. I do find it interesting though that rubio is being pushed as the nominee. I personally think rubio is more electable than cruz and he's done a far better job at calling trump on his BS, so perhaps they too see that and think he could be the one.

That would be a strong combo. Even up against a clinton-sanders.

You're always an optimist kraftie

Not according to trump and thus according to trumpites.

If you watch his twitter - where the real trump slips out (at times before he is advised to delete it), according to him, *everyone* loves him. (Though of course anyone who doesn't is just part of "the elite" and is scared he might upset their mind control plans.) Any new voters are there to vote For him. High turnout - to vote For him. People from all sides are coming over to vote for him. They love him. Mexicans love him. Everyone loves him. He even showed a red trump map that implied he had won/will win every state.

And then trumpites repeat it throughout the web.

That's right as far as it goes. But what binds this donor class together besides their money and influence. Any ideas? Why do this donor class support globalism, antagonism against Russia and wars in the Middle East, and why can they not accept the blond, Germanic Donald Trump as one of them? Any ideas? I suppose even if you knew, there wouldn't be much point explaining it in any post on this forum because some moderator would just have a hissy fit and close the thread.

Of course people can respond. Moderators act in accordance with the WP rules, written by Alex, and there is no rule against expressing and responding to political opinions and questions as long as this is done in accordance with the rules, eg no ad hominems, personal attacks, namecalling, baiting and so on.

As an actual fascist myself I probably have a different perspective on fascism than most people on this thread, and you can take it from me that Trump is not a fascist. I always find it rather ridiculous how often this label gets thrown around.

Fascism is not about invading other lands (or about isolationism for that matter), nor is it about "merging corporate and state interests" (as some people claim - good grief!). Fascism is simply about the rebirth of a particularistic nation state. Modern American conservative patriotism is not about particularist nationalism (let alone Fascism) since it is based on the idea that America is great because anyone in the world can become an American and succeed, and allusions to Christianity do not make American conservative patriotism any more fascist either since Christianity is a universalist religion. Therefore, for Trump to go one step further by proposing to build a wall to keep out illegals or even to impose a temporary moratorium on Muslim immigrants while still maintaining America as a multiracial, 'multicultural' liberal democracy is still not 'fascist' in the least.

so fascism isn't a nationalist authoritarian ideology? is that what you're saying?

Christ, do I have to repeat myself? I said fascism is a revolutionary particularist nationalist ideology, and that by that definition Trump is not a fascist. There is nothing that Trump says or does that indicates he believes in particularist nationalism (as opposed to 'make multiculti multiracial America great again', which is not the same thing) or in overthrowing the existing order.

But you're right in as far as I didn't say anything about a link between fascism and authoritarianism - I would say any revolutionary particularist nationalist ideology would need to be in many ways more authoritarian than what we have at the moment in the liberal democracies.

he(Trump) is proposing authoritarian means to secure the borders and is on record as being 'America First'. he does have a bunch of oddball policies that i guess can be chalked up to not being serious about politics before this, but he's nowhere near the left/libertarianism, so what should he be described as?

actually, sanders polls better than clinton against any of the top republican contenders.

By the time November comes along, after all the rhetoric, campaigning, etc., people tend to swing towards the center from both sides.

will you make a prediction as to who will win?

I get the feeling, after all is said and done, that Hillary will probably win.

Would I be happy? Not really.

But I would feel better about her than Trump--that's for sure.

AFAIC, she's definitely the lesser of the two evils. but Bernie would be better.

As an exercise in the abstract? Because, under the Constitution, someone ineligible to run for President is also disqualified from running for VP.