Don't you hate it when guys do this?

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10 Mar 2016, 12:26 pm

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Oh come on! Seriously this must be trolling. This has only ever happened to one female friend of mine. The chap was a little odd. I wouldn't say that this is actually an issue outside of tropes on the internet.



Yeah, the image of the typical male portrayed is so comical, disgusting and pitful, ie. Nice Guy TM, Friend-zoning whiner, Eillot Rodger...wtf.


I'm not really talking about the Nice Guy™ archetype in the OP, though the archetype I'm referring to is sort of a variation of that. I'm talking about guys who are very experienced and very good at manipulating women into bed with them, through the right combination of friendliness, doing favors, and just not leaving their targets alone. The Nice Guy™ is usually someone with attachment issues who is simply too shy to ask out a girl because he doesn't want to accept that she might not be attracted to him, which I can completely sympathize with. I'm talking about something much worse.



Is it really such a shock to you that men also use manipulation to get what they want???
And FYI, friendliness, doing favors, and harassment really does NOT work when it comes to getting women to sleep with you! I did try this when I was in my late teens and it backfired. Men manipulate women by being charming, suave, and charismatic not by being a doormat.


When did I say anything about being a doormat? You're just injecting your own biases into what I've said.



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10 Mar 2016, 12:29 pm

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I think mixed-gender groups are the best for socializing.


In my experience....it's the same as hanging out with girls-only group, still not as fun as with all-guys group; in fact I was referring to a mixed group with a female majority (all 2 guys, all others girls).
Even in mixed groups, stopping at every shop and "let's take a photo here" every 5 min are inevitable; lol It wasn't like this before the fb/Instagram btw.


I actually like to hang out with girls and talk about fashion, go shopping, take pictures, and do other girly stuff with them. Maybe I'm gay. :P



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10 Mar 2016, 6:30 pm

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I feel like some must have somehow gotten it into their head that most relationships come out of 'friendships' like they figure they have to make platonic friends with a girl first before they could possibly date. So they may not intend to be doing what you describe because they aren't just after the sex...but still for the girl in question it can still seem that way. Other then that I think there is sometimes an entitlement factor that some guys will get...like fixate on a woman and then get it in their head that is their future girlfriend/wife and they think they can force it or something.

But yeah I have friends and acquaintances who are guys, and pretty sure none of them are into me, so I certainly don't go assuming a guy is trying to get in a girls pants just because he makes friends.


What if a guy asks you out on a date, but never brings it up again?



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10 Mar 2016, 6:42 pm

I hate talking about shopping, fashion, etc. I don't even like taking pictures.

I'd rather just sit home and watch baseball.



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12 Mar 2016, 2:20 am

what happens just as often is that the woman can tell that he's being a manipulative jerk and avoids telling him off because she doesn't want to be rude, and then he blames her for 'friend-zoning' him.



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12 Mar 2016, 5:05 pm

OP, what annoys you more - the behaviour itself or the fact it seems to have worked for these guys in question?


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