How would a country run by autistics and aspergians look?

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2nd manifesto suggestion...no autistic should presume to speak for all of us, but should consult the community, and arrive at total consensus... Democracy obviously, but also novel methods of representation, that we can tailor in our way to close down the possibility of despotism developing... does anyone else have an idea about a 3rd manifesto suggestion? I leave it all to you for the next few pages...or I'll be breaking the 2nd.

This awesome country would be full of glorious routines, quiet streets, soft glowing non bright lights, sparsely populated in the extreme - only one person allowed per acre, emails sent before every social encounter no randoms allowed, all costs related to survival paid for by the government, social interaction would not be required to advance one's career - only achievement would be taken into consideration, etc etc.

And, all NT's would be arrested on sight and deported.

Absolute heaven.

Technofascism.
The reason for the fascism would be because of the need to wrest (once and for all) power from all the worlds NTs.
Otherwise the NTs would interfere.
In fact any NT would have to be eliminated (or at least permanently hamstrung in some way) that showed excessive bossiness or boldness from an early age to prevent that.

What we're really talking about here, upon reflection, is Plato's philosopher ruler problem.
You can really substitute autistic ruler for philosopher ruler.
The idea being that perfect societies would only be possible with perfect rulers.
But that perfect rulers are rulers that don't want to rule.
Therefore someone must force them to rule.
BUT the problem is that if someone has the power to make reluctant rulers rule then what is there to stop that someone from just running everything themselves?
And so we have actually just answered the question of why there are no perfect societies.
And, by extension, why autistics will likely never run the world.

Yes, we wouldn't be entirely happy if it wasn't perfect. But logically it can't be. Most of us would know that.

The gist I am picking up from some of you is that, we may sometimes find the NT's intolerable(and they us) but that we can't function independently without them to help us.

My question is....in what sense are they doing that good a job of that?

I suppose there is a risk. That it becomes a quasi class state, where high functioning people end up taking control and dictating more neurodivergent autistics rights, obligations, and privileges(or lack of).

That could mean they are worse off because their distress may be even less recognised, due to cognitive empathy deficits in high functionals. Maybe.

The structure therefore might need to give specialised authority roles to neurodivergent autistics, that we have to consult and who have a group veto on policy.

Obviously, the nature of their needs dictates expression, and the environment that it is done in. If anybody is a more neurodivergent (I.e. more severe) autistic, what do you think?

It would have to be to your requirements.

Any rich auties who could buy us an island(s), out there?

This has been fascinating. And I love talking to a group of people whose first instinct is to think about things, and not just always react.

We are a wonderful people. And if we find an effective method to organise ourselves, we can achieve amazing things. All of us, on our own terms.

It's a dream. But dreams have changed the world for the better, before.

Know that I respect you all immensely.

My 2p....

A country is a bit of an ambitious first step, the expectations might need to be scaled back a little, however, it is entirely possible to create an autonomous, self sustaining community.

This is one of my 'special interest' areas and have actually lived in and built communities as such.

I have just come to the end of a long term filming commitment and am now concentrating my efforts on a few things aspie related, one of these projects is the creation of an aspie, off grid, self sustaining community in the UK.

I would like to start a conversation here with folks who would like to be part of the development, realisation and eventually the sustaining of a new aspie model of life.

This conversation can then be taken to an incubator space so we can get cracking.

So, who wants to stop dreaming and make change a reality?

Now THATS what I am talking about...

I would be in...We need to know more, of course.

I am cautiously interested. Guys, let's see what this entails, before committing anything, don't put anything on the line. We don't know anything yet.

No offence, my friend. Just being careful.

I tried to reply to this on Saturday morning but lost the reply in a timeout and to be quite frank i didn't have the heart to start again and still don't tbh.

I also tried to PM you ardentmisanthrope23 but as i'm a lowly sub whatever number poster i can't PM, so i have no idea how to move this forward.

This notion is entirely achievable but like anything big it has to be broken down into bite size chunks to be managable, making what may seem insurmountable easier to accomplish.

Currently in the UK there are bits of legislation we can use to create as close to an aspie 'country' as is possible, this is not theoretical nor dusty old laws that are unused, i know communities that are living this way, and if i wish i could join their groups. BUT this is about so much more to me.

It's about a group of people in society whom are never given the chance to fully realise their potential, written off, discarded and driven into isolation and despair. This isn't 'supported accommodation' or some other NT idea of progress, its about creating and manifesting our own destinies, shaping our lives and supporting ourselves independently of outside revenue streams (DWP, Councils etc).

What the end vision becomes lies in the hands of those that wish to be a part of shaping the outcome, Jacque Fresco knew this and only sought to ignite the consciousness of such ideas as the venus project, not to create the final version.

This is as grassroots as a project like this can be, literally starting from day one, if you are interested in being part of the foundations in this either speak up in this thread or pm me (i think i can receive PMs) if i dont reply then assume i cant receive them.

“The great appear great because we are on our knees. Let us rise!”

A meeting will be required at some point, how would you feel about that?
It isn't easy for us at times. If I may ask, are you a high functioning or more neurodivergent autistic?

I won't assume.
Would anyone else be interested in a meeting our friend, floundering, here?

Hope you aren't planning to start a cult.

Not sure if you've twigged, but i'm not one for hiding away in the basement.



I'm an aspie, so HFA i suppose.



I've got digital infrastructure in place that would allow anyone to participate in this, so face to face isn't a barrier to inclusion.



Been there, done that, got the headlines.


I'll be frank though, i don't want to do this here, it isn't a safe place for someone like me to share my experiences in and amongst off grid communities, it would just give too much away about who i am, which is not something i'm willing to do in this specific environment.

As i still can't send or receive PMs this is going to be problematic.........Errrmmm............

Have to be honest, your last paragraph sets off alarm bells...I will hold back.

Be careful guys, frankly I perceive dodgy things here.
So floundering, sorry I will have to pass

You sound like you are running from something, and not society as a whole, but trouble.

If not, apologies, but I will not do anything to risk these people.

If you are a certain Irishman with a book out, I don't know why you are worried, MB.

Better than the train wreck that's running most of the world's governments now! Actually the world would probably be a better place if we ran it, it's much more difficult to brainwash an Aspie into growing up to be a bad person than it is an NT.

UNTIL THE PERSONAL ATTACK IS REMOVED I WILL REPOST MY RESPONSE


All that for trying to start a meaningful conversation.

Wow. What the actual f**k. Good luck pal, I don't want anything to do with YOU, what sort of an a***hole does that to someone? You make random, incorrect accusations in order to tarnish someone YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW, in a poor attempt to call into question their intentions, let me tell YOU pal, i don't need YOU, or anyone else to make this happen for those closest to me, we have the resources required as WE already live a very sustainable life, i just thought that an intentional community of likeminded people was something some of you may see as not only attainable but actually desirable.

But i totally forgot how this place works, “To avoid criticism say nothing, do nothing, be nothing.”

I intend on doing totally the opposite.

And now in order to take anything YOU say seriously, i would like you to provide 3 pieces of information which would make you identifiable.

Oh sorry, whats that, an objection to sharing personal information that would allow others to attain your identity, don't make me laugh.

And Mark Boyle? Why would Mark be posting here? Thats who you mean isn't it?

But both me and you know that's not whats going on don't we, would the same thing happen if i posted Erin go brach? I think so, classic 'No blacks, No dogs, NO IRISH'. By the way, i'm actually a northerner, albeit of some historical Irish extraction.

So all in all what an over reaction to trying to find a way to swap email addys.

Anyway i'll leave you to your fantasy life, living with your mum and dad; Dreaming of ways to get off the hamster wheel, good luck pal.