SJW - What would be a good literal name for them?

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19 Apr 2016, 2:26 pm

More seriously than my previous post, this is a classic essay and one of the most important online overviews of this topic: "Gramscian Damage" by Eric Raymond:

http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=260

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Americans have never really understood ideological warfare. Our gut-level assumption is that everybody in the world really wants the same comfortable material success we have. We use “extremist” as a negative epithet. Even the few fanatics and revolutionary idealists we have, whatever their political flavor, expect everybody else to behave like a bourgeois.

We don’t expect ideas to matter — or, when they do, we expect them to matter only because people have been flipped into a vulnerable mode by repression or poverty. Thus all our divagation about the “root causes” of Islamic terrorism, as if the terrorists’ very clear and very ideological account of their own theory and motivations is somehow not to be believed.

By contrast, ideological and memetic warfare has been a favored tactic for all of America’s three great adversaries of the last hundred years — Nazis, Communists, and Islamists. All three put substantial effort into cultivating American proxies to influence U.S. domestic policy and foreign policy in favorable directions. Yes, the Nazis did this, through organizations like the “German-American Bund” that was outlawed when World War II went hot. Today, the Islamists are having some success at manipulating our politics through fairly transparent front organizations like the Council on American-Islamic Relations.

But it was the Soviet Union, in its day, that was the master of this game. They made dezinformatsiya (disinformation) a central weapon of their war against “the main adversary”, the U.S. They conducted memetic subversion against the U.S. on many levels at a scale that is only now becoming clear as historians burrow through their archives and ex-KGB officers sell their memoirs.


Everyone should bookmark this essay and return to it for study.


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19 Apr 2016, 2:50 pm

Before you come up with a new label for them, don't you think it might be useful to actually define who you are talking about?

Specifically, who are they? Not example names, but rather a clear definition of what you mean by the term.

Surely not all feminist qualify, as most have a carefully stated goal of sex/gender equality rather than superiority. And, many avoid the term since it was co-opted by MRA's. Would it only be those who label themselves SJW's? What about people who label themselves SJW for other reasons such as racism? Also, the term SJW as self applied is not defined the same as the term as redefined by Lush Rimbomb (sorry, "Rush Limbough" - darn speck check) in the early/mid- 1990's. He never gave an actual definition, either, though. Rather he simply applied it to any women, POC or others who were fighting for equality that he didn't particularly like. Some have been quite reasonable even from his perspective, so his usage is itself a bit muddied. Fast forward a couple decades and in the wake of gamergate and the like, and the term itself is practically useless as a derogatory moniker.

So, what is the formal definition of the term & for any aspects that are on a continuum, where is the cutoff?


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19 Apr 2016, 2:51 pm

They seem more Maoist than Marxist to me, what with the demands that people publicly confess and be reeducated and such.


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19 Apr 2016, 2:52 pm

IIRC, Limbaugh coined 'feminazi', but had nothing to do with 'SJW', though I'm sure he's used the term.


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19 Apr 2016, 3:04 pm

Dox47 wrote:
They seem more Maoist than Marxist to me, what with the demands that people publicly confess and be reeducated and such.


Yes indeed -- the current campus SJWs are straight out of the Maoist playbook, the "Red Guards" of the Cultural Revolution:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Guards_(China)

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19 Apr 2016, 3:21 pm

As to what makes an SJW an SJW, I think the important distinction is in the 'warrior' part, as much of the goals of social justice (anti-racism, anti-sexism, etc) are not in popular dispute, but the tactics they use pursuing those goals, such as public shaming, shouting down, no platforming, censoring, etc, are what people find so off-putting. The victim culture thing is also kind of distinctive, with the safe spaces and micro aggression and need for trauma counseling after someone chalks the word 'Trump' on the sidewalk, it makes me think of an NBA player who falls to the ground and goes for the Oscar every time he makes contact with an opposing player.

So, social justice activism + authoritarian and/or angry mob tactics + victim culture = SJW, pretty simple.


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19 Apr 2016, 7:56 pm

Dox47 wrote:
As to what makes an SJW an SJW, I think the important distinction is in the 'warrior' part, as much of the goals of social justice (anti-racism, anti-sexism, etc) are not in popular dispute, but the tactics they use pursuing those goals, such as public shaming, shouting down, no platforming, censoring, etc, are what people find so off-putting. The victim culture thing is also kind of distinctive, with the safe spaces and micro aggression and need for trauma counseling after someone chalks the word 'Trump' on the sidewalk, it makes me think of an NBA player who falls to the ground and goes for the Oscar every time he makes contact with an opposing player.

So, social justice activism + authoritarian and/or angry mob tactics + victim culture = SJW, pretty simple.


So then was Rosa Parks a SJW?
What about Ceasar Chavez?
Martin Luther (of 95 thesis fame, which for its day was quite a "shouting down")?
Bayard Rustin (march on Washington)?
David Duke?


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19 Apr 2016, 7:59 pm

Edenthiel wrote:
So then was Rosa Parks a SJW?
What about Ceasar Chavez?
Martin Luther (of 95 thesis fame, which for its day was quite a "shouting down")?
Bayard Rustin (march on Washington)?
David Duke?


I think you're smarter than this.


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19 Apr 2016, 8:34 pm

The average person who identifies as feminist isn't usually a Marxist.
The feminist leadership is nothing but subversive and Marxist however.

Proof:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOmIIAact4s

A certain percentage of average person feminists are probably Marxist because they see their leaders advocating for it



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19 Apr 2016, 9:29 pm

This thread is pretty gross and full of alt right sounding reactionary non-sense.



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19 Apr 2016, 11:31 pm

Lightninggrrl wrote:
This thread is pretty gross and full of alt right sounding reactionary non-sense.


Really? I must have missed all the calls for abolishing democracy and quoting Moldbug...


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20 Apr 2016, 4:30 am

LoveNotHate wrote:
Scum ?

S = Social
C = Cultural
U = Universal
M = Marxists

hahaha!



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20 Apr 2016, 4:32 am

Horseshoe Theory Nazis



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20 Apr 2016, 5:06 am

regressives is a good name for them.



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20 Apr 2016, 12:57 pm

Aprilviolets wrote:
regressives is a good name for them.


Agreed.



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20 Apr 2016, 1:13 pm

Lightninggrrl wrote:
This thread is pretty gross and full of alt right sounding reactionary non-sense.

Exactly. They are being manipulated into hating the entire spectrum of leftist politics through the use of propaganda terms and neurolinguistic programming. The same thing happened after the civil war, when reconstruction efforts tried to turn the south into a true Democracy, and who's agents were labeled carpetbaggers and scallywags by the white supremacist terrorists who would rule the south for a century.