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21 Jul 2016, 11:06 pm

I always hear people say, like, "oooh, they cut the hands off thieves, that's so barbaric!"

Well, don't be a thief then. Problem solved.



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21 Jul 2016, 11:12 pm

And adulterous women can be stoned (not in the enjoyable way, either), gays thrown off rooftops, adherents to other faiths held in second class citizen status, etc.
While I have always said that fear of Shariah Law is a bogeyman inflamed by the the far right in America in order to wrangle the feeble minded, and will never, ever, come to America, the fact remains, yes, Shariah Law is pretty awful for those of us living in the liberal west.


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21 Jul 2016, 11:14 pm

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And adulterous women can be stoned (not in the enjoyable way, either), gays thrown off rooftops, adherents to other faiths held in second class citizen status, etc.

Well, I can certainly understand your objection.



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21 Jul 2016, 11:16 pm

No religious freedom. Don’t be a non-Muslim—problem solved.

No gender equality. Don’t be a woman—problem solved.

Really? :roll:


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21 Jul 2016, 11:24 pm

Barchan wrote:
I always hear people say, like, "oooh, they cut the hands off thieves, that's so barbaric!"

Well, don't be a thief then. Problem solved.

I always hear people say, like, "oooh, they execute apostates, that's so barbaric!".

Well, don't change your religion, then. Problem solved.

I always hear people say, like, "oooh, they execute homosexuals, that's so barbaric!".

Well, don't be gay, then. Problem solved.

I always hear people say, like, "oooh, they punish (with whipping and/or stoning) rape victims for adultery, that's so barbaric!".

Well, don't get raped with less than 4 male witnesses present to testify on your behalf, then. Problem solved.



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21 Jul 2016, 11:30 pm

Barchan wrote:
I always hear people say, like, "oooh, they cut the hands off thieves, that's so barbaric!"

Well, don't be a thief then. Problem solved.

it's hard to believe you're serious about that, but let's assume you are

it's clearly disproportionate. you could say "a crime is a crime. just don't do any crime". but then, among other things, that raises the question of where to draw the line. should mp3 piracy be punishable by having your ears cut off? this example alone already raises several other questions. mp3 piracy isn't exactly theft, it's copyright infringement instead. copyright law exists to protect the interests of large corporations against the interests of individuals. still, in some jurisdictions, copyright infringement can be a crime. the line gets blurred. also, it's not enforceable. that means many or most people will be doing it regardless of the punishment, and the punishment will be applied as a means to legitimize witch-hunting instead (which sounds just like iran to me)

that kind of law only makes sense in a small archaic society. which is where it comes from. it's an anachronism in today's world, and a formidable tool for abuse of power


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21 Jul 2016, 11:37 pm

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it's clearly disproportionate. you could say "a crime is a crime. just don't do any crime". but then, among other things, that raises the question of where to draw the line. should mp3 piracy be punishable by having your ears cut off?

Copyright infringement isn't a crime, since copyright is just a phony construct of a capitalist society.



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21 Jul 2016, 11:38 pm

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Copyright infringement isn't a crime, since copyright is just a phony construct of a capitalist society.

the judge says otherwise. you just lost your ears. deal with it :mrgreen:


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22 Jul 2016, 12:04 am

the whole you know apostates being killed is pretty bad

ugh condoning slavery?

beating women? stoning women? honor killings?

killing homosexuals?

killing blasphemers?

I believe they believe 'people of the book' are required to pay a tax called a jizya, convert, or be killed and polytheists I believe are only given the option of convert or die



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22 Jul 2016, 12:30 am

Shariah Law is used to oppress.....



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22 Jul 2016, 1:15 am

If you don't want to be profiled every time you travel, don't be a Muslim, problem solved... :roll:

Truly one of the more asinine things posted here in a while.


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22 Jul 2016, 4:47 am

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I always hear people say, like, "oooh, they cut the hands off thieves, that's so barbaric!"

Well, don't be a thief then. Problem solved.


Ah, moderate Islam. You are such a blessing for western countries.


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22 Jul 2016, 5:19 am

I don't agree with a lot of Shariah law, but then it's not like America's legal system is perfect either.

"Oohh the cops shot and killed yet another black guy", well he shouldn't have been suspected of carrying then, problem solved.

The UK isn't much better either, but at least we have equality laws, no capital punishment, and our police don't kill anyone (except for incredibly rare and extreme circumstances).



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22 Jul 2016, 8:20 am

The police in the UK don't usually carry guns, right?



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22 Jul 2016, 8:22 am

Shariah Law might have been great for the 7th Century, when Islam was a steadying force within the unsteady Middle East.

Just like the Biblical Laws were wonderful for the era in which they were compiled.

Nowadays, though, it would be ridiculous if we followed both to the letter.



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22 Jul 2016, 8:32 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
Shariah Law might have been great for the 7th Century, when Islam was a steadying force within the unsteady Middle East.

While I can understand the possible usefulness of harsh penalties for theft or adultery, I don't think killing gays or rape victims (without male witnesses) was ever "great". There's only so far you can take moral relativism.