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22 Jul 2016, 8:32 am

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Shariah Law might have been great for the 7th Century, when Islam was a steadying force within the unsteady Middle East.

While I can understand the possible usefulness of harsh penalties for theft or adultery, I don't think killing gays or rape victims (without male witnesses) was ever "great". There's only so far you can take moral relativism.



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22 Jul 2016, 8:37 am

It's a shame that an atheist has to be the one to say this, but Sharia law isn't exactly what you think.

What Shariah Is (and Isn’t)



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22 Jul 2016, 8:39 am

I don't disagree. Moral relativism can only be taken so far.

I'm not condoning Shariah Law. All I'm saying is that it was better than what they had previously. Obviously, it would have been nice had they had an even more progressive solution.

There are some relatively virtuous aspects of Shariah Law. But don't tell that to the adulteress being stoned.



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22 Jul 2016, 9:46 am

Speaking of which...in relation to your girlfriend:

Does she understand, now, why you wouldn't want to live in Turkey? I get the feeling the Islamization under Erdogan might start to proceed apace.



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22 Jul 2016, 6:29 pm

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beating women? stoning women? honor killings?

Honor killings aren't part of Shariah.



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22 Jul 2016, 7:47 pm

AspE wrote:
It's a shame that an atheist has to be the one to say this, but Sharia law isn't exactly what you think.

What Shariah Is (and Isn’t)


Nice article...thanks.

In the article it states: "Shariah refers to God’s blueprint for human life"...and this correlates to the Word of God as revealed in the Quran and in the Prophet Muhammad's writings. The article stated that turning from Sharia Law would be like turning from the Quran, so this would being like giving up your religion and the interpretation of which is left up to fallible man, whose interpretation must be suspect. The interpretation of the Quran is a very personal thing for every Muslim.

So the article essentially says Sharia Law is a step up from ordinary every-day-law and that the interpretation of Sharia Law is up to ordinary individuals, who may interpret it incorrectly...and the article states we may never know if the present day interpretation is correct.

So then, according to the article we have something called Sharia Law that no one, Muslim or infidel, can say with certainty what it is, only that we must rely on the infallible to interpret it for us.

So an incomprehensible law that anyone can make say anything they wish. Is this your interpretation? I mean the tenor of the article was very uplifting and solemn but as effects everyday society, I see little to change my aspect.



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22 Jul 2016, 11:03 pm

Ha.

America is a paradise compared to Saudi Arab.

I am not gona bother explaining nuff said in this thread.

But there are always gona be extremist people you know....

Caught shoplifting a gum? let's cut out your tongue that will give you something to chew on..



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22 Jul 2016, 11:36 pm

Chummy wrote:
America is a paradise compared to Saudi Arab.

I don't support Saudi Arabia's interpretation of Islamic laws. Wahhabis can go F themselves.

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Caught shoplifting a gum? let's cut out your tongue that will give you something to chew on..

Muhammad (ﷺ) never encouraged dismemberment as a punishment for minor theft.



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22 Jul 2016, 11:42 pm

What about apostates tho?



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22 Jul 2016, 11:53 pm

Yes. Yes, it is.


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22 Jul 2016, 11:53 pm

also, what about people falsely or mistakenly incriminated?

"oops, turns out we shouldn't have cut off your hand. sorry 'bout that"

every system must account for its own fallibility


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23 Jul 2016, 12:17 am

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also, what about people falsely or mistakenly incriminated?

People get sent to prison for crimes they didn't commit, and you can't easily give someone years of their life back.


Losing your freedom is worse than losing a body part in my honest imho



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23 Jul 2016, 12:19 am

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Losing your freedom is worse than losing a body part in my honest imho

if that's your reasoning, then give the defendant a choice

your opinion may be humble, but the law is not


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23 Jul 2016, 12:36 am

I dunno, I think I'd do the jail time if the alternative was getting my hand chopped off. I'm pretty attached to having hands! :P



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23 Jul 2016, 12:40 am

also, if you're absolved a year after starting a ten-year sentence, you've lost a year. if you're absolved one day after losing your hand, you've lost your hand. if you make a mistake, you're screwed for life. if the law makes a mistake, you're screwed for life. that's unnecessary to say the least

killing and mutilating people was a standard kind of punishment "back then" (in ancient/medieval times) because a prison system wasn't feasible. the closest thing to it available at the time would have been enslavement, which would very likely have been permanent for the accused

i'll say it again: anachronism


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23 Jul 2016, 3:09 am

Jacoby wrote:
I dunno, I think I'd do the jail time if the alternative was getting my hand chopped off. I'm pretty attached to having hands! :P


Me too! :lol: :lol:


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