Your experience with mindfulness
Turning off your internal dialogue is itself a dialogue. Stopping having questions is itself a question. Shutting up is a deliberate thought. So you can see the problem. Pursuing mindfulness reinforces the mind.
So true! I like to think of it as redirecting my attention, rather than stopping anything. I like the word "mindful," not because it's about the mind, but because it's about awareness of myself and what's around me. It's about being present, rather than diving into thoughts of the past or future, or analyzing the present moment.
^That 'present moment' as you described it, is the root of Eckhart Tolle's teachings.
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Turning off your internal dialogue is itself a dialogue. Stopping having questions is itself a question. Shutting up is a deliberate thought. So you can see the problem. Pursuing mindfulness reinforces the mind.
So true! I like to think of it as redirecting my attention, rather than stopping anything. I like the word "mindful," not because it's about the mind, but because it's about awareness of myself and what's around me. It's about being present, rather than diving into thoughts of the past or future, or analyzing the present moment.
Well said DataB4
Mindful or Mind Full??? That is the question!! !
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Turning off your internal dialogue is itself a dialogue. Stopping having questions is itself a question. Shutting up is a deliberate thought. So you can see the problem. Pursuing mindfulness reinforces the mind.
There is a difference. When you silence your mind, everything outside of you gets taken in first. You are merely an observer. Pritty much everyones mind is "buisy". It's full of clutter you really don't need. The "buisy" part is your internal dialog making more work, and using more energy than what is nesessary. It can be extremely analytical. What you are describing is the way you think, because you're you. Shutting up is a deliberate thought, but the thought is nessesary in order to shut up. There is a state of mind here that is almost unknown to everyone, however midfullness is an improvement over someone who has a racing internal dialog. It's good enough I guess.
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Mindfulness is not what I am referring to, because it is not good enough. People should get passed all of that. It still has alot of static involved in it. Mindlessness would be a better word for it.
I take exception to the idea that mindfulness isn't enough. Why that judgement?
Seems to me like one of those practices that involves a leader, or teacher, and it's design is made to pay, and keep you coming back for more. Like a prescription. Like fixing a problem, and not the cause. Like it still has some of the problem within the problem.
Doing this is better than not doing, but the art of not doing is the best of all.
I'm going deep here.
Mindfulness and Mindfulness meditation is quite the opposite. It is an individual journey. The understanding, insights, and growth can only come from work done by the individual. In my opinion that is why many people don't pursue it; they don't want to do the work. I'm not sure what classes you have been a part of where you have had to pay, but there are plenty of opportunities to learn for free if you look hard enough. The only way of knowing is by doing.
I have no class, however the Nagual and the Tonal overstepps the boundries of mindfulness. Everyone is soo tonal. It is how we are trained from birth. I do believe that any form of meditation, or silencing the mind can be an improvement that is just as well as this mindfulness thing. It can be prayer, driving a car (outside of rush hour traffic), meditation, relaxing while engulfing yourself in a special skill, whatever works for you.
I do believe that when someone recommends this stuff, there is probably some fight or flight behavior that they percieve. Panics, depression, whatever...
I think I have said too much now. I am out.
This place... This website... Too tonal... Fairwell!
My latest little book Unclouded by Longing -
Meditations on Autism and being present in an overwhelming world, is all about my experiences of living Mindfully with Autism.
I am also a member of the community of interbeing in London. The community of interbeing was founded by Thich Nhat Hanh.
As well as having high functioning autism I have complex post traumatic stress disorder. I practice to stay well.
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I get confused with the distinctions here, is "mindfulness" now something different to the traditional religious practice? Because I have had much experience with the latter and find it helpful both mundanely and religiously, but I don't think I've had much experience with this secular form of mindfulness. What's the difference?
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I get confused with the distinctions here, is "mindfulness" now something different to the traditional religious practice? Because I have had much experience with the latter and find it helpful both mundanely and religiously, but I don't think I've had much experience with this secular form of mindfulness. What's the difference?
My only practice is within the buddhist tradition as taught by my teacher Thich Nhat Hanh. As a Quaker, I always thought the most important things in life were forgiveness and love. Today I would add presence. For if I am not present, how much can I really love and how much can I really forgive?
I had a psychologist try to explain mindfulness to me using a strawberry as an example. She first directed me to really look at the strawberry. I hate looking at strawberries because they look like they are covered in blackheads which I find gross. She then wanted me to hold the strawberry and really feel it. Like I want to run my fingers over something that resembles a bad skin condition. Next I had to smell the strawberry. Well that's a laugh because I always sniff food. It took my Husband years to reach acceptance of this particular quirk of mine. Then I had to put it in my mouth and not just taste it but experience the texture as well. Do people really eat things without tasting and experiencing the texture? Genuine question. I cannot imagine eating something without experiencing those things. I'm very sensitive to textures. Even if I like a taste, if the texture is bad I cannot eat it. I left vowing never to return. I want mindlessness. I want to not be constantly aware of every freaking sight, sound, smell, taste and texture. I want to not notice all the little things that others don't. I want to walk into a room and not notice if a picture is hanging at a slight angle of maybe 2mm because I have noticed that other people don't see these things and I cannot not see it and cannot relax until the picture is absolutely level. I want to not notice the tags in clothing, the feeling of the socks on my feet, the constant hum of fluorescent lights and the hundreds of other things that constantly assail me. I don't need to seek more, I need less. I'm glad it works for some but I cannot understand how it can work for me.
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I was very serious about meditation in my early and mid twenties, but I noticed that my group had ceased engaging with the world during a very critical period. I left, minus some funds, and tried to use my special talents to make more of a difference, but never met the right partners. I became wary of the consciousness mechanics, because there were so many phonies, and most people seemed to do OK without meditation.
However, my creativity and peace of mind both got worn away, and I'd meditate during the worst times to survive. Now, I think that the stress of modern life, exacerbated as it is for us but also generally, makes meditation as wise as taking time to do the dishes. There's just a build-up of stimulus that has to be rinsed away. I resolved my dilemma over which of the "best" meditations to choose by just experimenting and quickly finding one that worked for me.
Now, I'm still very wary of meditation distracting me from noticing dangerous situations, but trying to find some balance. It does seem to increase the chances of choosing the right fork in a new road, but I wonder if I have the energy left to go down another one.
There are no references to religion or spirituality. The focus is on feelings and sensations, not thoughts. I find it helpful because it's a way to redirect repetitive thoughts and relax in the moment. It's a challenge for me though.
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