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16 Oct 2016, 5:59 pm

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So, Dox, you wouldn't feel intimidated. Nor would I. The people there did feel intimidated.

I guess they would have persecuted anyone who didn't bring a gun to a peaceful protest?

I'm not sure I get your point. Carrying a gun at a protest is usually about identifying yourself as a gun owner and humanizing the demographic, as so many liberals view us as backwoods dwelling cretins, as opposed to people you live and work with.

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16 Oct 2016, 6:00 pm

This May article is sounding increasingly percipient to me:
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinio ... story.html

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16 Oct 2016, 6:11 pm

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So, Dox, you wouldn't feel intimidated. Nor would I. The people there did feel intimidated.

I guess they would have persecuted anyone who didn't bring a gun to a peaceful protest?

That humanizing thing might have worked better if he wasn't the only one at the protest, until his friend came out to join him, and if he had been doing something other than staring into the office. It's not so much humanizing as creepy, but maybe that's just me.

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16 Oct 2016, 6:13 pm

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I'm speaking generally, I don't know much about this guy and his motives.

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16 Oct 2016, 6:21 pm

Dox47 wrote:

jrjones9933 wrote:

I'm speaking generally, I don't know much about this guy and his motives.

The links are in color now. I chose a very balanced story.

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16 Oct 2016, 8:02 pm

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If someone who I know hates me is standing outside where I either work, live, shop, or whatever, and is sporting a firearm, I certainly would consider that to be intimidation. Maybe you wouldn't, but that just shows people have a different take on what constitutes intimidation.

Take the gun out of the equation. Imagine a big burly dude with a bunch of swastika tattoos was lurking outside of a synagogue glaring at people; should that be illegal? I'm sure some people would be very intimidated in that situation, but I'd be very hesitant to make that illegal. Also, what you're describing may very well fall under stalking laws if someone is actually following you around specifically or hanging around your home or workplace, and is better handled through that legal avenue.

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Just the same, I'm pretty certain that grade A-hole with the gun was at the very least hoping to make the people in the Democratic office uncomfortable.

As do protestors picketing a business. For all we know, the gun was completely incidental, as open carry is legal, and sometimes it's more convenient than wearing extra layers on a hot day. I think a lot of non-gun people completely miss the practical aspect of open carry, as it's often less of a statement than a clothing choice.

I sincerely doubt the gun was just incidental.
As for a burly guy with Nazi tattoos outside a Jewish house of worship - with Antisemitic violence having been on record, I'd have no doubt that the police would have asked that man to move along.

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16 Oct 2016, 9:06 pm

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As for a burly guy with Nazi tattoos outside a Jewish house of worship - with Antisemitic violence having been on record, I'd have no doubt that the police would have asked that man to move along.

How about a skinny, unmarked guy? Does the first guy's muscle mass and choice in tattoos mean he should be discriminated against by the police?

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16 Oct 2016, 9:22 pm

I suppose the presence of weapons and any chants could make it obvious.

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16 Oct 2016, 9:25 pm

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As for a burly guy with Nazi tattoos outside a Jewish house of worship - with Antisemitic violence having been on record, I'd have no doubt that the police would have asked that man to move along.

How about a skinny, unmarked guy? Does the first guy's muscle mass and choice in tattoos mean he should be discriminated against by the police?

Unless the unmarked skinny guy is somehow identified as a threat to the people in the Synagogue, then certainly, the muscular guy with Nazi tats comes across as a greater threat, being that Antisemitism is printed on his body.

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17 Oct 2016, 5:50 pm

...You guys ! !! !! !! !! !!
You're making me scared to leave the Bay Area bubble ! :twisted: :lol:
BTW , I MUST say that I would find the idea of standing around for hours on end w/a dispplayed gun as being just peaceful protest , no threats implied , more easy to accept if the gun-stander had a sign , say ~ Except it actually occurred to me that the gun , in this context , IS his sign . And it says " I can shoot you easily enough/if I want to " .
Oops , more persecution of salt-of-the-earth flyover country real Amurricans by coastal elitists . Boo hoo . :cry:

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17 Oct 2016, 6:53 pm

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This May article is sounding increasingly percipient to me:
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinio ... story.html

The media is putting on TV every night the past week Trump supporters saying there will be violence if he loses.

Trump Supporter: ‘Hillary Needs To Be Taken Out’ “If I have to be a patriot, I will,” Dan Bowman told The Wall Street Journal.

Never mind after the election it is already starting
NC Democratic headquarters attacked on same night nearby GOP office was firebombed

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17 Oct 2016, 7:40 pm

The media are in a heck of a spot. If they stir up civil discontent by continually airing Trump without rebuttal, and the villagers rise up with pitchforks and torches and burn down the TV stations, it would make a great story.

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18 Oct 2016, 1:03 am

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If they can stay on the air Anarchy in The USA would get excellent ratings.

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20 Oct 2016, 5:07 pm

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/ne ... ef-w445869

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20 Oct 2016, 5:15 pm

Austrians must have forgotten where Hitler came from.

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20 Oct 2016, 5:51 pm

Well, Trump has just clarified his remarks from the debate. I will accept the results, he says, if I win.

M'kay.

If anyone is wondering what we just avoided, probably, then look no further than The Philippines.

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