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20 Oct 2016, 5:51 pm

Well, Trump has just clarified his remarks from the debate. I will accept the results, he says, if I win.

M'kay.

If anyone is wondering what we just avoided, probably, then look no further than The Philippines.


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20 Oct 2016, 5:54 pm

jrjones9933 wrote:
Well, Trump has just clarified his remarks from the debate. I will accept the results, he says, if I win.

M'kay.


Still not consoling for those of us who still believe in the American experiment in free government.


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20 Oct 2016, 6:18 pm

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jrjones9933 wrote:
Well, Trump has just clarified his remarks from the debate. I will accept the results, he says, if I win.

M'kay.


Still not consoling for those of us who still believe in the American experiment in free government.

I'd call it horrifying, but that's been used already. It's almost more petulant than horrifying, if it wasn't so horrifying.


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21 Oct 2016, 9:27 am

Given the influence that Trump has over his base, he needs to explicitly disavow violence, not encourage it. And this is one of those situations where that little thing called character comes into play.

What I find frightening is watching Trump speak to large groups of people. Not everyone realizes this but mobs behave very different than individuals. Rather than put out the fire he just fans the flames. Very irresponsible.



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24 Oct 2016, 12:53 am

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24 Oct 2016, 1:26 am

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I say this not harshly, but in strange puzzlement:

I find it completely bizarre that here on WP we have (for example) obsessed New Zealanders who post opinion pieces translated from German in an effort to explain American politics to Americans, and even more obsessed Britons (for example), perhaps disappointed that they were born too late to join uncle Joe Stalin's Red Army, who try to convince Americans that a pro-gay-rights former Democrat who used to party with Bill Clinton is actually Adolf Hitler.

What a weird world it is. :lol: :roll: 8) :lol:


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24 Oct 2016, 1:36 am

As I have said previously, my special interest in American politics began on

22 November 1963


and I have taken a keen interest ever since, you learn a lot in over a half a century. You may not know that the USA is allowed use of NZ territory to operate intelligence bases in New Zealand which is vital to its security. We risk becoming targets too if America were unwise enough to elect Trump, though that danger is possibly passed.

In my many visits to and wide travel in the United States, only in East Texas did I encounter a profoundly isolationist attitude. People in other states were very aware of international relations and the importance of them.



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24 Oct 2016, 1:58 am

Darmok wrote:
B19 wrote:

I say this not harshly, but in strange puzzlement:

I find it completely bizarre that here on WP we have (for example) obsessed New Zealanders who post opinion pieces translated from German in an effort to explain American politics to Americans, and even more obsessed Britons (for example), perhaps disappointed that they were born too late to join uncle Joe Stalin's Red Army, who try to convince Americans that a pro-gay-rights former Democrat who used to party with Bill Clinton is actually Adolf Hitler.

What a weird world it is. :lol: :roll: 8) :lol:


Years ago, Trump had said if he ever got into politics, it would be as a Republican, because he considers people on the right to be stupider.


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24 Oct 2016, 2:09 am

New Zealand blood also colours the soils of Vietnam, Afghanistan and Europe: our histories are very intertwined in many other ways. New Zealanders know far far more about the United States than American's know about New Zealand; our geographical isolation actually encourages interest in world affairs, and minds/hearts/homes (and on occasion bodies too) were opened to large numbers of American serviceman during the second world war and afterwards.

The prospect of wealthy Americans emigrating here in large numbers if Trump was elected has also been a factor in New Zealand interest in the current election. Few would welcome this, as it might inflate property values further, and there is a point beyond which we don't have the current infrastructure to accommodate huge numbers of new arrivals. So we have skin in the game in a number of ways, and these are some.



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24 Oct 2016, 2:27 am

Darmok wrote:
B19 wrote:

I say this not harshly, but in strange puzzlement:

I find it completely bizarre that here on WP we have (for example) obsessed New Zealanders who post opinion pieces translated from German in an effort to explain American politics to Americans, and even more obsessed Britons (for example), perhaps disappointed that they were born too late to join uncle Joe Stalin's Red Army, who try to convince Americans that a pro-gay-rights former Democrat who used to party with Bill Clinton is actually Adolf Hitler.

What a weird world it is. :lol: :roll: 8) :lol:

I say this not in strange puzzlement, but harshly.

I find it somewhat annoying that here on WP we have obsessed Donald Trump supporters who take offense to Non-Americans having an opinion about US politics.



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24 Oct 2016, 2:42 am

When I was 12, the whole family unit which I lived with, including grandparents, attended the premiere of the 1959 film "On The Beach". It is very difficult to try to explain the huge effect the film had here; the Cold War was at a peak, there were very real fears of a nuclear holocaust started by one of the Northern Hemisphere countries.

http://cinema-crazed.com/blog/2016/07/0 ... each-1959/
http://thebulletin.org/continuing-relevance-beach8589
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Beach_(novel)

I am sure that was a formative influence too, though perhaps not as much as the astonishing news on the radio that JFK had been assassinated. I did go to Dallas, years later, to look at Dealy Plaza myself, and recall the shock of hearing the news in 1963 as if it was happening now.

As to the De Spiegel piece - I find European views interesting, not least because I lived in two EEC countries for some time, West Germany being one of them. Hope that clarifies the puzzle for you.



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24 Oct 2016, 10:32 am

B19 wrote:
The prospect of wealthy Americans emigrating here in large numbers if Trump was elected has also been a factor in New Zealand interest in the current election. Few would welcome this, as it might inflate property values further, and there is a point beyond which we don't have the current infrastructure to accommodate huge numbers of new arrivals. So we have skin in the game in a number of ways, and these are some.


New Zealand is having her 15 minutes of fame in America and elsewhere at the moment.

Why everyone wants to move to New Zealand (if Trump wins)

15 Reasons We Should All Move To New Zealand If Donald Trump Becomes President

Trump, Brexit ... Is New Zealand your escape route too? Eleanor Ainge Roy Billy Crystal has threatened to move to New Zealand if Trump wins power and post-Brexit, ‘move to New Zealand’ became a top Google search term. Please consider moving here, but do so with your eyes wide open


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25 Oct 2016, 2:16 am

^^^i'm well-used to "cold, mouldy and damp." nothing new there.



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06 Nov 2016, 4:34 pm

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New Zealand has only had one Prime Minister in the past with proto-fascist demagogue tendencies, and not so long ago. These memories are still fairly fresh, (he was voted out in 1984, after he called a snap election during a drunken episode captured on television), people still remember the damage to others that his vindictive nature caused, he took the slightest disagreement as a personal slight on himself. They can see the same fault in Trump, I think, and this has been another influence in the nationwide anti-Trump feeling here.
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Perhaps this will sound a cautionary note though: that particular Prime Minister even interfered with the time honoured concept of judicial independence, which is very strict here as it is in England. Only one Prime Minister showed contempt for that time honoured hallmark. He publically interfered in a judicial decision because it meant adverse consequences for a mate of his, who covered up the truth at an inquiry into an air accident in which many lives were lost, for his own benefit. The judiciary were appalled. The judge resigned in protest. Most of the country were shocked and appalled too. But that chapter did unmask for people the demagogic nature of the PM of the time, far more clearly than anything prior, though worse things were to follow before he was deposed.



Jeez, are you scared to utter this guy’s name or something? Your readers might be interested to know who you’re talking about.



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06 Nov 2016, 4:40 pm

some names ought not to be spoken aloud in polite company



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06 Nov 2016, 7:33 pm

auntblabby wrote:
some names ought not to be spoken aloud in polite company


Say their names three times in front of a mirror in the dark, and they'll appear. :lol:


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