Women, are you attracted to muscular guys?

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For men that are naturally ectomorph, it is much harder to achieve a bodybuilding physique. Please go to bodybuilding.com and ask them if achieving a Brad Pitt from Fight Club is more difficult than achieving the physique of Arnold Schwarzenegger in his prime or Ronnie Coleman.

Yes, steroids and supplements are not necessary.

Nor is gym exercises.

But lifting weights in the gym, along with adequate diet and rest (note: I'm not saying anything about roids or supplements), is one of the more efficient ways to gain strength and activate muscle hypertrophy the quickest.

It specifically targets individual muscle groups instead of the less specific-ness of some 'natural' forms of exercise.



Personally, all I was saying is that the vast majority of people can not gain much natural strength from physical athleticism, if 'natural strength gain' is defined as 'does not lift weights unnaturally in the gym, and does not use steroids (because one can gain plenty of muscle using steroids without so much as lifting a finger).

There were women here who mentioned earlier they want a guy 'naturally strong' from the physical activities and sports he chooses to do, and not 'unnaturally' fit from the gym. This is an unrealistic ideal and difficult to achieve unless you specifically have a hard labor job.

For most actual athletes, gym time is necessary. Even swimmers like Michael Phelps spend time in the gym. Some form of structured training is necessary beyond their sport alone.

You're making a false comparison here.

Me and Boo aren't saying it takes less time to look like Brad Pitt from lifting weights in the gym, we're saying it actually takes longer to look that way if you DON'T workout in the gym that it does to look like Taylor Lautner (Jacob from Twilight) if you do work out in the gym.

Doesn't matter if you have good genetics and an active lifestyle.

It took Taylor Lautner only about 6-10 months to achieve the physique he has now, from gym time and strict diet and rest.

To get a body like Brad Pitt from crossfit, bodyweight exercises or calisthenics? Well, you tell me if it would take a shorter amount of time or not. I can't see how, even if it is significantly less muscle mass to gain.

All I know is plenty of the people on Bodybuilding.com say Mister Pitt's physique only takes a few months.

Yes, it does take a long time to build muscle from working out in the gym, but it is quicker and more efficient than playing sports or trying to gain muscle naturally purely alone.

Doesn't matter if it's strength training, crossfit, calisthenics, even bodyweight exercises. These all have 'rules' and 'structure' and require a strict healthy diet to become fitter by using any of these methods, therefore they are 'unnatural'.

There's people I knew in high school who played on a sports team and, outside of that, did not give a damn about diet, calories, or exercised at all aside from their team training sessions.

The only guys that could pull this off were skinny soccer players, tennis players and such. Most of their strength was just the natural strength that comes with puberty, the only difference between them and a regular skinny kid was skill in the sport.

The football players specifically had to spent time in the gym and work on diet to gain sufficient muscle and mass to excel at their sport.

It's exceptionally rare for someone to gain the Brad Pitt physique 'naturally'. Many men of ancient and modern hunter-gatherer tribes are skinnier than that, and they are as 'natural' as they come.

Also...the beauty standards imposed on males in media (and especially in movies and ....porn) are by far narrower.

Honestly, for me it's not easy to decide which of these body-types looks best. Most of these men have good looking bodies (I can't say they're all good looking because I don't like some of their faces).
The guys you classified as very lean mightn't be quite as noticeable as the others at first sight but the one in the 2nd picture still is nice to look at.
If it's a lot of random guys on a beach I'd probably already be more likely to glance at the somewhat lean and intermediate guys but I'd not look at these particular guys for too long because I don't like their faces. (Yeah, this is about body types and not faces but it is really difficult to ignore the faces. When I look at these pictures I automatically look at the faces.)
The somewhat muscular body-type is probably the most noticeable in a still positive way (doesn't necessarily mean it's the best but it's still nice to look at and just very noticeable). On a beach I'd probably also glance at the very muscular ones but that's just because they look unusual. It's like some people might look at a girl who has hair that reaches down to her knees when she walks by but it might just be because it's really unusual to have that long hair and not because it makes her more beautiful.

Yet, I think the very lean guys would more quickly become less attractive if they gained weight in the form of fat than the more muscular ones.

^ this is only relevant for which guys I like to look at. When it comes to dating the only one I might like less than the others is the very muscular one.

Why is it always males this and females that?

Can't we all just agree that both genders are subjected to unfair potrayal in media, advertisements and porn. We are expected to attain impossible standards of people who look good or exercise for a loving.

It's why both men and women can suffer with eating disorders and issues with their body image.

If anything, the reason we men complain about it so much that it affects men as well is the very fact that many people don't acknowledge this or aren't aware of it.

Women already have plenty of awareness and campaigns for body image issues and disorders, men still lack such support or don't have as much support.

And if anything some of us have noticed that, in our personal experiences there are some average or overweight/obese women who want to date a fit and muscular male even though he had put far more time, dedication and effort to earn his body than she did.

There is no male fat acceptance movement, there's a few articles online I've found where average men pose like male models and/or are heavily photoshopped to show what Hollywood does to men's bodies to make them look better, but for every male article like this there's at least 10 women's articles.

For example, there's this article: http://www.boredpanda.com/male-supermod ... rwear-ads/

Yes, but both the majority of men and the majority of women don't meet the beauty standard.

This:

is good enough for the majority of men who are into slim women but most of these women don't really meet the female beauty standard. Many have small breasts, a narrow hip, not a thin enough waist or any other 'flaw'. A BMI between 18 and 20 doesn't mean perfect built.
Either way it'll be easier for women than for men to conceal their 'imperfection' with the right clothing and make-up. A lot of women wear bras that make their breasts look twice their actual size and don't have all that smooth skin beneath their make-up after all.

But most people would be single if any gender had this narrow expectations in how a potential partner has to look like. Most men and women are fine without looking like TV-stars unless it's their own insecurity about their looks that makes them not be fine.

Talk about picky. That's ok, I'm picky too. After reading that I'm never going to feel guilty about not being attracted to fat girls again.But I'm not that picky. I don't fuss about breast size. Big or small, I like 'em all.

I don't worry about wide hips vs narrow hips because hip size is determined by the width of the hip bones (one time I told a girl she had wide hips and she thought I was calling her fat, not so, the hip bone is made of bone, not fat).

Some would argue wide hips are an indicator of reproductive fitness. Maybe so but that's not a concern for guys like me who don't plan on kids. I once dated a young woman who was infertile and that actually made me like her more.

For me not being fat and not being older than 30 are the primary indicators of beauty (also no tattoos or piercings in places other than the ear prefered). Of course this is all a matter of personal taste.Alliekit I agree with this entirely. If your post had a thumbs up button I'd click it.I understand. It seems sort of one sided when you hear talk of women being held to unrealistic beauty standards when both men and women are held to unrealistic beauty standards.

It seems quite jarring when you hear that not being held to unrealistic beauty standards is an example of male privilege when it happens to both men and women.Some obese women may want to date fit men but some obese women are dating fit men and vice versa.
Why do you think this is?Good. I don't want men (or women) to be influnced by an ideology that attempts to justify an extremely unhealthy lifestyle, that denies scientific research that certain health problems can be caused by obesity and that promotes mediocraty. We should all strive to be better than what we are.

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But not equally, I find there are far more women meet the different beauty standardS, petite, tall, thin, large, BBW, curvy ...whatever... except maybe the morbidly obese.

The male beauty standard nowadays is just one: Tall, swimmer build, handsome face and six-packed. All male sex symbols nowadays have these 3 physicals.
When was the last time you have seen an ad "all men are good looking"? - There's none, the male beauty standard is extremely narrow.

I know they have ads like this for women. The reason these exist is that there's this idea that women have extremely fragile egos. I find that this idea is highly mysoginist. Treating women with kid gloves is demeaning. It lowers them to the status of children.

The male beauty-standard is to a big part due to Hollywood. Most films that are made in the country I live in have all different body types in leading roles. Neither male nor female actors need to be particularly good looking to be (locally) successful. But people here likely watch more Hollywood films than films from our own county or other parts of Europe.
I also can think of one advertisement for clothes that uses average looking men and during the commercial it plays some song sung by a women about loving him the way he is. (Of course they still do this to sell their clothes and not to make men feel better about themselves)
But you're right there usually are no ads saying that all men are good looking and there's a lot more done to make women feel good about their bodies. Society seems to be less aware of men also feeling like they are not good enough.
Yet, not all of the different female body types are equally beauty standards. There are still some women who feel they need to have no fat at all on their abdomen but need to have large breasts, a narrow waist and flawless skin and flawless hair. Some women still don't feel beautiful if they don't look like a Hollywood actress.

Honestly, the most beneficial movement for us all would simply be the 'average' movement.

Where beauty and fashion standards suggest averageness is ideal. Nothing more.

No 'fat acceptance' or 'all body types are beautiful' movement because this encourages obesity and poor health choices.

You are right there should be more awareness teach young boys and men to love themselves. I think that there is this culture of 'man up' where men are shamed for being nervous or feeling bad

I just have to add that I actually do witness alot of bigger guys with extremely beautiful girls. Although these guys are usually ultra confident and jokey

I like watching old movies where the actors look like real people. Just compare the old Star Wars movies to basically anything with Brad Pitt and his ilk in it. I really believe women are not so hung up on looks as a lot of men are......and most men do not require a woman to be perfect.

There simply is no way to design yourself to fit everyone's standard.

I believe that the general problem is people's inability to just have a normal conversation with someone - and this doesn't just affect the autistic population

Fair enough, I can see your point from that perspective. I thought the women were referring to natural training as in Calisthenics and bodyweight training, not a physical job or traditional sports. I was referring to the maintenance and dedication that it takes to become an IFBB professional or powerlifter, it takes an extreme training regime and diet to achieve the results of a professional bodybuilder.

There are parks that have calisthenics equipment in them to use free of charge and many exercises can be performed that stimulate the muscle in a similar way to the gym. In any case, what good is the gym if it does not build functional strength? After a few months of Calisthenics, I was able muscle-ups and calisthenics can supplement parkour and rock climbing.

There are many calisthenics, parkour and climbing athletes that are defined and muscular without the use of steroids or spending many hours in the gym.