The Trump Effect

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I know it's not what you meant, but I think this suggests that WASPs are intrinsically OK with seeing racism and bigotry aimed at others. Only racist bigot WASPs would countenance the vile sentiments coming from Trump. There are plenty of WASPs who find Trump's attitudes to be thoroughly deplorable.

Trump is the best candidate for minorities as they have suffered the most under the globalists, their communities have been destroyed which is exactly what Trump is fighting against. We need to bring jobs back to this country, we need to control our borders, and the infrastructure in this country is crumbling. Hillary is not going to change that; we all know she would sign TPP and she can try to spin it anyway she wants but her words are her words. She wants "a hemispheric common market with open borders and open trade", has there ever been a more traitorous thing said? Hillary literally doesn't believe in America as a country and that is the direction she will take this country in; our prosperity, soveirgnty, and freedom will be stripped away from us.

Half my ancestors are white anglo protestants, the others are Catholics and I don't support a Trump presidency and my intention was not to imply all whites support Trump .
I can't help but notice, most those attending Trump's rallies look like what everyone says are white Anglo protestants even though religion is difficult to discern over the air waves or through a fibre optic cable, so this leads me to assume blacks and Hispanics are not his most ardent supporters. I don't blame them. They should not be fooled by him.

Whoa whoa now just wait a minute. Someone has been drinking the Kool aid! What leads you to believe this is true? Actually, globally speaking, it has been recently noted things have never been better economically.

In the US, minorities have historically experienced inequality but things have improved dramatically. It's just the media doesn't focus on those who have entered the middle class. Instead, they focus on impoverished inner cities where schools are bad, poverty rampant and thus the crime rate is higher but murder rates have been declining since the 70's.

I don't care about 'globally speaking', I care about America and my quality of life. I've seen America, I was born in the ghetto rustbelt city and we were abandoned so this good and getting better narrative doesn't work for me. I am for intents and purposes a migrant myself, an internal one but I am far from home just the same. I've lived a rural and suburban lifestyle, but I've lived most of my life in the big urban city. It's kind of funny but I've probably moved further than quite a number of these illegal migrants to live where I do now. So I've experienced the effects of these policies first hand, it is very personal.

What do think I said is not true? Say what you wish about Trump but what I said about Hillary is still true.

Just the idea globalists have destroyed minority communities. I guess you are talking about Michigan in particular and you are right, Detroit has been hit hard but then you go to a place like Washington DC which has prospered greatly since the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan thanks to defense contracting and it has experienced economic improvment.
You are painting with a very broad brush.
I am not necessarily a big fan of these trade agreements but I admit I have not studied and scrutinized them and am not an expert on what led up to them so maybe i am not aware of the bigger picture. What I've heard is isolationist policies are worse for the economy than globalization because it creates what corporations and companies call Barriers to Business or Trade. So, Isolationism would create more of these barriers. As a socialist, I support a free retail market but regulation on manufacturing. So, if someone wants to stand on a street corner selling watches, they should be allowed but if another wants to dump lead into a river to make the watches, there should be some regulating to be sure they don't pollute.

The minority community(actually majority) has not progressed much in the last 40 year in my experience but I imagine things seem better for them in the south where they where they may not have been treated as people but these northern rustbelts have been in a state of utter decay and that is where "Make America Great Again" makes sense the most. Where I am from it, it was better 10 years ago, it was better 10 years before that, it was better 10 years before that. This is true for whites and blacks.

Trump would do Judge Holden proud.

The problem is that you can't legislate progress and innovation. Or even go back to what it was.

Instead of exporting steel, we now export Boeing airplanes to Muslim countries, like Qatar. Trying to force our airplane industry to sell only to non-Muslims and switch over to steel instead of modern hi-tech materials would be a disaster.

Steel airliners would go over like a lead balloon, to be sure.

But you are arguing from a realist position while the Trump loyal are, for the most part, setting their hopes on myth and emotion. You cannot change their views with facts, explanations or analysis.

When people are actively participating in using the mythic appeal of the campaign as a screen on which to project their own wish-fulfillment fantasies, there is no reasoning with them. It would be like telling a Star Wars fans that the battle scenes in the movies do not necessarily show realistic or feasible tactics given the apparent capabilities of the weapons involved...

You're arguing a strawman and giving false dilemmas, it's just nonsense and there isn't much more that can be said about that.

We are getting ripped off in trade and the Clinton's are one of the main people to blame for that, our borders are porous and pathetic with anybody or anything being able to illegally enter this country including the drugs and yes the murderers and rapists. I lived in these communities, I seen and experienced it firsthand and know the problems they have. The schools and the social services which are already spread too thin barely function, I've seen it all my life and I know we don't need anymore mouths to feed.

If I had to choose, I'd vote for Trump. He's Pro-Life.

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Part of the problem is this sense of hopelessness and pessimism and I see it in the oil industry, too. This fixation on one resource and a false belief they are eternally doomed if it is disrupted in some way. This is not the path of survival, it is one of extinction. It is like that here with oil, and it is with steel in the RB. With Detroit it's the auto industry. It's always one thing but that's not how prosperity works. To be prosperious, one must have several things going at once in order to offset, or work on something else. Detroit's tragic flaw is so much of the auto industry located there which made that city overly dependent on that particular industry. So, if something causes one domino to fall, the whole thing collapses.

My friends wouldn't even call themselves Democrats, the party isn't liberal enough for them, but they vote Dem because of the party system.

Trillions of dollars in debt already. The Republicans want to give substantial tax breaks to the wealthiest Americans. What will happen in the Middle East is up in the air but it could end up costing as well. Realistically, how much money should go toward the southern border? Obviously, there's more money here than Mexico or no one would come. US has a larger middle class, Mexicans can't live as prosperous in Mexico. This supports what I already typed. Mexicans come here and make money. Trump expects to pour billions of dollars into the border, ading even more to the debt.
Right now, people are deported and the border is patroled.
Mexico will pay for border control even when scores of Mexicans live in third world poverty? Why would anyone think Mexico would allocate it's budget toward a border with the US when they view this country as generally rich and spoiled?

No denying, poor people exist in the US but so does a middle class and it's larger than in other countries of the same size and complexity. The far right ignore this and focus on poverty and it gives a false impression. While the rest of the country toiled through a recession, this area experienced a financial boom which offset the effect because oil prices were high. So it's more complicated and regional.

No matter where you go in the world, you will see poor people and in third world countries conditions are far worse. It doesn't matter who is president, you will see poor people here, too. This is why I am a socialist. Socialists recognize poverty as part of the human condition and it doesn't automatically equate with laziness. Poverty isn't the fault of the impoverished. How can we as a species help members of our society who struggle with poverty? It's not about placing blame. One single individual in the known history of our species hasn't completely erased poverty. That's reality.

Mexico can be made to pay thru tariffs or taxes on remittance payments, the cost of a wall really is pretty minor especially relative to the costs we've incurred waging wars in the Middle East over the past decade and a half which we have absolutely nothing to show for it. A wall serves a purpose, it's a tangible thing, it's a much better investment than whatever the hell we're doing overseas at a tiny fraction of the price so to call it unrealistic is really disingenuous when I'm sure you also support nationalized healthcare and "free" college too which would have unfathomable costs and rapidly increasing costs. Once this is built, it's an asset and actually something tangible.

As someone that lives in a border state, I know money would be poured into this state's economy so I see it directly benefiting me. Better here than overseas, I'm sorry if I am not as worldly or humanitarian as others but our needs aren't being met. Something unique that people don't talk about Trump is his belief about improving our infrastructure which again means jobs, Trump has proposed to spend like twice as much as Hillary in this regard believe it or not.