Donald Trump is not a Bigot or Racist..

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And my point was, so what? That does not mean that they do not suffer racial prejudice and it does not negate the fact that most other minority do not have a high mean income. Also, you can not just site some absolute number prove a point comparing to groups of unequal size. You have to compare the rates for each group.

Here is this argument simplified. I have 10,000 pennies. Trump doesn't have that many pennies. I am wealthier that Trump.




why does not Trump and I have the same amount of money? Maybe because we grew up in different families under different conditions.

If Asians (Jews are all you) had been brought here as slaves and treated the same as black people, then we would expect similar conditions, but they have very different histories, even within the groups there is a great deal of heterogeneity.




I am a botanist/ecologist and one of the important concepts to understand when trying restore a degraded site is that it is unlikely to return to the same exact condition or even something similar, because it is starting from a different point.

If you and I were racing and you started a mile away from the finish line and I started 0.5 miles away, would you expect us to cross at the same time?





All I can say is that you need to spend more time with other people and try to understand things from their perspective, because this idea is divorced from reality.

I was in the army when a lot of the big issue with race and sex were being dealt with for the 3rd or 4th time(not the last), and you saw all of these white males feeling oppressed because they could make fun of black people and getting all whiny because they could sexually harass women.

If you think men, particularly white men are oppressed...I am not even sure what to say other than you must come from some privileged world where you do not have to mix with the lessor folk.

I do like the crazypants name, should we call you that from now on? If not I will take it.

Bernie Sanders was using the flip flopping or Hillary to criticize her. The point I am trying to make is that Bernie Sanders can't really call himself the better candidate in that regard since he has done those exact same things.

And what was the reason for people accepting this class divide?

How versed are you in anthropology, psychology and biology? How about philosophy or religious studies?

The hierarchical behaviour of human beings is a densely contested topic amongst the "ologies". If you're looking for a simple definitive answer, there isn't one. The simplest solitary answer might be "evolution". As a social mammal, hierarchical behaviour may be hardwired into us, or it may be refined socialisation over millennia. I lean towards it being a little of column A, etc, on the merits of each.

Depending on your political leanings, the expansion of human group hierarchies into nation states is the result of anything from "natural order" to "oppressive authoritarianism taking advantage of human nature/nurture" and anywhere in-between the two (or indeed skewed off to the side of such). Hard adherence to either of the extremes I mentioned is probably not healthy.

And in short that resulted in sexism. People quite literally saw women as inferior.

You cite these statistics as evidence of racism, if Asians are at the top, you are suggesting either Asians do not suffer racial prejudice, or Asians themselves are racially prejudiced against everyone else (affecting all other groups income, crime rate etc etc) or racism doesn't affect them the same way.



They often don't.



Nonsense. This is a left wing fairytale to blame the white man for everything. It doesn't stand up to much scrutiny. You can compare like for like in Europe. Black populations in Europe do just as poorly as African-Americans, despite their European counterparts having no history being enslaved by Whites, often emigrating voluntarily from Africa in the post-WW2 era.



Now here we get more into my area. Indeed some kids have a better start in life. When you look into what these advantages are though, it's often about stable families, parents spending a great deal of time and care on their child's education and future careers. This is not the magical racism powers of Whites, and it's not something we can fix from the outside.



I didn't say oppressed, I said abused. You and our Brahmin class unfairly blame Whites for anything and everything you can, and it's been going on for decades.

everyone gets called racist or some, when pointing out, lefts' only talking point is racism, it gets you labelled racist

instant hole

What resulted in sexism? Was the sexism beneficial or detrimental to the affected parties? How would you measure such? Are you mistaking sexism for sexual dimorphism? If so, are you suggesting nature is sexist? God? The Universe?

You haven't formed a logical argument, you've just cried "sexism" as if that's an argument unto itself. Hint: it isn't.

Nice talking to you.

Why would an individual in those times do it on the basis of gender?

This would've worked, Retro, if she hadn't deleted your line, when she quoted your post. My guess is, it was intentional----when she realized you had used her own words, against her, and she wasn't gonna let you win, one.

Here is your original post (copied and pasted):


....and, of course, the post you were responding to, of hers, you've already posted.

When I first read your original post, I immediately realized what you were doing, and smiled----because I felt it was, sorta, classy; you totally COULD have attacked her (NOT, that you SHOULD have), but you didn't, and I commend you, for that!

Sometimes its best just to let people live in their own world. It feels nice for them.

I definitely agree with the "abuse" / "whisper" part----and, I DO believe "those days" are, at least, coming to an end; what CONCERNS me, is that we're a nation of over-correctors, IMO, and, as the pendulum swings-back, I wish it would be stopped at the MIDDLE. I'm concerned that it will swing, ALL-THE-WAY, in the OPPOSITE direction----meaning, that the white people will start abusing their abusers; and, as I have said before, I have been concerned that that is what is happening with SOME of these cop killings (where the cops, were doing the killing).

Don't get me wrong----I TOTALLY believe that there are still cops out there, who are just tryin' to help people and get-through their day, alive (and have posted my support for them, on here); but, I'm concerned that it only takes ONE cop whose personal pendulum (before "pendulum" was collective) has already swung-back, in the opposite direction, PAST the middle, already (meaning, that it WAS murder [I think we've seen an extremely small amount of "actual" "murder"]), to make everybody start wanting to send EVERY cop down-the-river, on trumped-up charges; and that seems to be what "those days" are gonna be, NEXT (actually, they already ARE).

Firstly, Mikah was talking about actual ABUSE (physical and mental)----NOT feelings of oppression, like in your story.

Secondly, IMO, if the men in your story were feeling oppressed, it was because they were "making" it "oppression"----like you said, so they could whine.

What?

Are you going to address anything I've said, attempt to answer any of the questions I've asked in this thread or contribute something that turns this even remotely into something resembling a discussion?

Didn't gender define this class divide.

Shouldn't a working class woman be of equal status to a working class man?

Why couldn't women vote?

If so many women were given high status that you claim name one of a similar time period that had real power.