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07 May 2017, 5:50 am

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Liberals created the climate which made Trump's election possible.

I am going to disagree with this. I think Trump's election was made possible by an embracing of emotion over thinking. Trump is an expert at emoting, not so much at thinking. People responded to this. Why? Because they no longer know how to express themselves with words. Have you noticed that the language is degrading, this shows that people are not learning it in school. When language degrades, thinking degrades. Trump exemplifies this. Trump was elected on blind hope for those disenfranchised by the climate of learning.

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Yeah right, it's liberals that run the businesses and keep the machines running while those rabble rousing lazy career student conservatives have nothing better to do than attend protests, riots, and inaugurations.

Do you really think that productivity is delineated by political affiliation?

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The problem I see with that analysis is how much hype has been poured into flipping out over Trump's entire staff as well.

His staff are hampered by their leader.

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07 May 2017, 5:56 am

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Don't criticize the US you say. Can we stop the bullcrap seriously. Why not hold a nation accountable for their actions?

Again, with Rwanda (and now, Saddam Hussein)? Sure, hold a nation accountable for its actions, AT THE TIME----but, what does rehashing it, decades later, do? It's like you're bashing us peons over the head with it, to make us do something about it----and, as I've said, before, what can any USAan, here on WP, do about it (singularly or collectively); especially, NOW?

Okay so you have just admitted it is now okay to criticize the USA. Then why is it unfair to criticize the country now when Trump is suspending Muslims and working to end Obamacare. He is doing what many would consider to be bad, why should we turn blind and not discuss it, their is nothing wrong with it. An attack on America's leadership is not an attack on you, it is a justifiable criticism of those at the top nothing more.

Welp, I don't believe it IS "a justifiable criticism", because you don't LIVE, here----again, until you've walked a mile in OUR shoes...! ! IMO, you are basing your OPINION off of other people's opinions (MSM, etc.), and judging something you know very little about----because READING about the U.S.A., is not LIVING in the U.S.A.

As I've said, before, where *I* come-from, people with good manners, ask questions, and they don't just instantly ACCUSE (aka bashing, in this instance). Here's an example.....

GOOD manners:

"President Trump doesn't seem to be doing a very good job. I was just wondering why some of you guys would vote, for him?"

BAD manners:

"It is unfathomable why anybody in the U.S would vote for someone who is so obviously unqualified, stupid, and a liar."

The first example gives people a chance to defend their decision, and helps aid someone in NOT going on the offense. Why should anyone be concerned about aiding someone in not going-on the offense? Because, if one doesn't, they run the risk of getting slammed for it----and then, inevitably, it seems, they will whine about the person who slammed them, and not take responsibility for THEIR role in the conversation devolving into a fight.

The second example, not only puts-down anybody who voted for President Trump, but also puts-down the president; and, AFAIC, it IS an attack on me, because so many people's posts say things, like: "The Republicans did this, and that was stupid"; or, "The Democrats did that, and that was stupid", etc. It's not a PERSONAL attack, but it's an attack on groups of "my" people, and I don't take kindly to that. It's no different, IMO, than when someone attacks someone else, here on WP, and I defend the person being attacked----and, ESPECIALLY, if they're new; because, as I've said before, that's like walking into a party full of people you don't know, and putting-down everybody, there (I even defended someone, recently, who was attacked by a newbie, and I don't even like the person, who was attacked - but, it was the principle of the thing).

I realize that alot of Aspies are of the "solitary mind", so-to-speak----meaning, that they DON'T see / understand the value of "fighting-for" a group----but, then, isn't that one of the things for which we are MOST criticized (not thinking of anyone, but ourselves)?

No, it is NEVER okay, IMO, to down-right criticize the U.S. or any other country, in public----it IS, okay, IMO, to ask questions, and use more "gentle" words / phrases, to get your point across (ie, "seems", "seems like", "seemingly", "IMO", "maybe", "sometimes", etc.). Sure, I support the First Amendment----but, even THAT has caveats, and I support their adherence, as well. Here's the thing.....

Alot of Aspies' no.1 mantra, seems to be: "I REFUSE to conform!!" (ie, follow social conventions, etc.); and then, those same Aspies will be the FIRST ones to whine when they get criticized for their Aspie behavior----AND, if that's not bad enough, those same Aspies will DEMAND that NTs (et al.) conform to the Aspie's way of making things more comfortable, for the Aspie. What's wrong with this picture? Where's the give and take?

I'm sorry when ten percent of people in your country lack any form of healthcare you are going to get treatment. It is what you get, you can't blame people for getting annoyed. It is the effect of your country is having on the vulnerable and the needy which anger me. It cannot continue.

In the states of Mississippi and Indiana discrimination against homosexuals is simply not recognized. You can face an unfair job dismissal, you can face harassment and their is little to nothing you can do about it. Their are deep running problems with America it is a fact. Why is it that in many states you can go to prison for smoking marijuana it makes no sense people.

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07 May 2017, 9:54 am

androbot01 wrote:

Raptor wrote:

Liberals created the climate which made Trump's election possible.

androbot01 wrote:

Do you really think that productivity is delineated by political affiliation?

EzraS wrote:

The problem I see with that analysis is how much hype has been poured into flipping out over Trump's entire staff as well.

His staff are hampered by their leader.

For years and years now in nearly every political discussion I have read ends up with conservatives being, called racist, sexist, moron, you are history, get the f**k out of the way heartless bastard, you have no right to a public opinion because you are born privileged etc. They are told thier humor and ways of having fun is racist often by people priviledged in the old fashioned sense of the word. There way of lives and values are mocked on TV late night and prime time while thier actual lives have been deteriorating by purposeful policies often done gleefully. Yet people are surprised that people emotionally voted not rationally.

I agree not all liberals are like that, it is the loudmouths and SJW's that dominate especially online and there was a substantial element of the Trump vote that was bigots and bullies feeling emboldened. But emotional reaction to all these years of peoples lives mocked and degragreded by "progressives" was a factor.

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07 May 2017, 10:22 am

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...There way of lives and values are mocked on TV late night and prime time while thier actual lives have been deteriorating by purposeful policies often done gleefully. Yet people are surprised that people emotionally voted not rationally.

I'm not entirely sure what you mean. Who are these people who are being mocked while the government acts against them? And what do these have to do with letting emotion rule over thought?

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07 May 2017, 11:18 am

ASPartOfMe wrote:

androbot01 wrote:

Raptor wrote:

Liberals created the climate which made Trump's election possible.

androbot01 wrote:

Do you really think that productivity is delineated by political affiliation?

EzraS wrote:

The problem I see with that analysis is how much hype has been poured into flipping out over Trump's entire staff as well.

His staff are hampered by their leader.

Yet liberals always call for policies that would help those peoples, but the underprivileged conservatives always vote in way that go against their own interests; if their lives are hard is not fault of the liberals, it is their own for listening to wealthy peoples that only care about hoarding ever more money.

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07 May 2017, 12:04 pm

One of the trends I have noticed is that charity is used to shelter money and saddle your enemies with logistical burdens. There is some definite crossover, between the national and international brands of socialism.

Slave plantations and orphanages with forced labor have been described as charitable, in this country, but, I think, someone legitimately respectful of minorities, would not want to see them used as pawns. You wouldn't flush your prisons and hospitals, onto your national rivals, if you really loved those people.

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09 May 2017, 4:17 am

androbot01 wrote:

EzraS wrote:

The problem I see with that analysis is how much hype has been poured into flipping out over Trump's entire staff as well.

His staff are hampered by their leader.

That's not what I'm talking about. You're saying the hysteria is limited to Trump and wouldn't exist if say Jeb Bush won.

But there has been hysteria over virtually everyone appointed by Trump, even before they got started. Hysteria over each individual. There was even hysteria over people who might become White House staff.

People flipping out one way or another, from the very beginning over Trump, everyone on his staff and even his wife and children.

It's always been a very bizarre case of mass hysteria and obsession.

It's like 20% of the problem is Trump and 80% is how the left has reacted to it.

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09 May 2017, 8:31 am

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But there has been hysteria over virtually everyone appointed by Trump, even before they got started. Hysteria over each individual.

Well with Flynn worry was justified. Bannon has his own history. Spencer seems like a nice guy, I hope he's making a lot of money out of this. There's the Kushners who are already benefiting financially from the Presidency. Honestly, I think Ivanka may end up in jail over the Chinese trademark deal. Pence is disgusting in his own right, but he seems genuine.

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09 May 2017, 12:12 pm

EzraS wrote:

But there has been hysteria over virtually everyone appointed by Trump, even before they got started. Hysteria over each individual. There was even hysteria over people who might become White House staff. People flipping out one way or another, from the very beginning over Trump, everyone on his staff and even his wife and children.

It's always been a very bizarre case of mass hysteria and obsession.

A hundred years from now, historians and psychologists will study public behavior during this period as a classic example of mass hysteria, like witch-manias and religious panics. And it goes well beyond Trump into the whole fabric of the contemporary Left (including academia), which in the US is gripped by a kind of manic religious hysteria.

The most famous early study of these periods of mass hysteria is Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds by Mackay, published in 1841 -- it's still useful today:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraordi ... _of_Crowds

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12 May 2017, 8:17 pm

And you thought "derangement" was just an expression. A student at Western Washington University encounters a street preacher with a Trump sign. (You may want to turn the volume down on your computer.)

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12 May 2017, 8:24 pm

Raptor wrote:

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EzraS wrote:

androbot01 wrote:

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And again, if Trump is all that bad, why isn't Trudeau stepping up and taking his place as the most powerful man on the planet?

I guess that's hyperbole as the answer is obvious.

Not hyperbole. Canada is a large wealthy nation very similar to the United States in many ways. Why is it always expected to take a back seat while America is always expected to be in the driver's seat? If Trudeau is a better leader then Trump, then why isn't Trudeau and Canada more involved?

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I don't understand the sentiment expressed that no one should criticize Trump ... Americans shouldn't because he is their president and non-Americans shouldn't because it's none of their business or "rude." So is it being argued that when a person is in a leadership position they should not be open to criticism? I think this would be a bad idea, as it is those in power who most need to hear diverse opinions.

There's a difference between criticizing and relentless obsessive over the top attacking. I'm not taking about you when I say that. I mean the whole syndrome overall. It's a matter of level and frequency and attitude.

Let their tears nourish you, for we are witnessing the golden age of liberal butthurt that you will tell your grandchildren about.

Nice! Good to see that you are still at it.
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Still the same old

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13 May 2017, 1:46 am

So, inviting Duterte to visit the WH? Talk about birds of a feather.

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19 May 2017, 3:23 pm

Biased media? What biased media?

• President Trump dominated media coverage in the outlets and programs analyzed, with Trump being the topic of 41 percent of all news stories—three times the amount of coverage received by previous presidents. He was also the featured speaker in nearly two-thirds of his coverage....

• Trump has received unsparing coverage for most weeks of his presidency, without a single major topic where Trump’s coverage, on balance, was more positive than negative, setting a new standard for unfavorable press coverage of a president.

https://shorensteincenter.org/news-cove ... -100-days/

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19 May 2017, 4:04 pm

androbot01 wrote:

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I'm not entirely sure what you mean. Who are these people who are being mocked while the government acts against them? And what do these have to do with letting emotion rule over thought?

Sorry for the very belated answer.

Basically, the rust belt working class whites from "flyover country" that voted for Obama in 2008 and 2012 and Trump in 2016. The mocking is a lot of "trailer park trash", "dumb hicks" committing incest type type jokes, "Grandpa" you are irrelevant type statements. If that type of mocking stereotyping were done to any other group there would be shitstorm and people fired but it is considered funny when done to this segment of the American people. The government policies that have hurt this group have been well documented.

This group that voted for Trump might have voted stupidly because of their emotion, but that does not mean they are low intelligent people necessarily or the that they did not have good reason to be emotional.

We were discussion why the election went they way it did. I was reacting to the complete shock that this cohort cast their ballot for Trump and people making the same mistakes of how they view Trump voters after the election, that led to the Trump phenomenon.

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19 May 2017, 6:46 pm

ASPartOfMe wrote:

This group that voted for Trump might have voted stupidly because of their emotion, but that does not mean they are low intelligent people necessarily or the that they did not have good reason to be emotional.

Surely the majority of Trump supporters must by now realize that Trump is not what they had thought?

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19 May 2017, 9:58 pm

androbot01 wrote:

ASPartOfMe wrote:

Surely the majority of Trump supporters must by now realize that Trump is not what they had thought?

I hope that people have not given up on the Bill of Rights and transferred their loyalty to DJT.

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